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uh this episode has got to go this is

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again an issue in human consciousness

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that we want even our aliens to be

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reasonable with us they're allowed to be

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a bit different but not too different it

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can't be full-on you know Harry Potter

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magical weirdness stuff oh no you know

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now you've gone a bit too far now it's

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just science fiction you know because

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it's not fitting into a kind of a

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pre-arranged landscape of what aliens

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should be like

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someone else out there with intelligence

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have a point for us for example you know

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that they actually had you know some

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idea of where we might want to go and

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have left us some kind of clues about

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what can help a civilization survive for

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hundreds of thousands of years should

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give us a glimmer of hope

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okay welcome to skeptico where we

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explore controversial science and

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spirituality I'm joined today by Bruce

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Fenton one of my absolute favorites

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Bruce as you may remember has been on

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the show a couple times is the author

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along with his wife Danny of exogenesis

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hybrid humans a scientific history of

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extraterrestrial genetic manipulation he

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also has a terrific sub stack that I uh

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subscribe to and it's just I can't

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believe he gets the content out but he

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does uh you check that out Techna

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signatures the search for alien

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Technologies where it kind of updates

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folks on a lot of the same topic area

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that the book was in so uh Bruce it's

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great to have you back thanks for

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joining me I I have you prepared now

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because I told you I'm gonna I'm gonna

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push you so I'm glad you're here

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thank you thanks for having me back

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honestly it's been a while so yeah we

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can catch up to where things are at and

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obviously and Tackle any other topics

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that you like a lot in common there too

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well here's where here's where I wanted

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to kind of redirect it because I know

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you can update me on a lot of stuff

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that's going on that is of super

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interest you know and people can go to

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your sub stack and I'll read all about

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it

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what I want to kind of take us to is

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you know I think the book is super

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important I think the sub stack is super

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important but I do question a little bit

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the way that you're going about it you

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know I just had this guy on uh recently

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a couple weeks ago Jason giorgiani and

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he's really a philosopher but he wrote

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this book closer encounters and he's all

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worked up about uh Mars you know which

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he should be anybody should be you know

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you want to talk about techno signatures

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all over the place in the images you

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know you go to brandenburg's uh nuclear

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weapons checking a signature great you

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got remote viewing which isn't really a

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Techna signature but kind of is in a way

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so there's plenty of reasons to be

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worked up about Mars but here's the big

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thing about Mars right is we know two

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things about Mars and the exogenesis

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with Mars number one we know that

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they're lying their ass off right

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because they got but they have hundreds

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of thousands of high resolution images

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that they just they just won't let them

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out and a couple of them snuck out like

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40 years ago and they go oh no no those

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aren't there it's such an obvious gross

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lie that no one even pretends anymore to

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say hey show me those images would you

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show me you know you can look at a

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license plate from a satellite but you

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me that pyramid so we know that they're

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lying and we know that they're lying

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because they know something you know

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I take the same thing with you man I

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take the same thing with what you're

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doing do you really think Seth at seti

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and Avi loebet Harvard you do you really

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think you need to pump those guys with

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one more study with more data that then

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all the way come go oh Bruce yeah now I

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do get it I see all the evidence that

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you've already piled up all the Nassau

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papers that you've referenced all the

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Tech tight samples is that really going

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to carry the day isn't it more likely

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that they on some maybe not completely

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but they know they know something what

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do you think you don't understand where

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I'm going completely what do you think

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some of the work that's been done by and

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his work where he was basically

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atmosphere which were like not related

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to any organisms we know of right so

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to NASA and reaching out to you know

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other uh scientific bodies right you

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legitimate academic scientist he's a

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biologist and he said he wasn't even

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getting replies from that sir so you

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know he's like can you check my results

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can you you know do the science check

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what I've got does it does it add up and

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you've got to figure out I mean this guy

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know he's got the credentials he's

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putting it across the people you'd

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expect him to check it with and then

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he's getting nothing

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so there's definitely something very

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wrong right so like you said I mean does

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it take someone else finding the same

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thing I mean if that guy has already

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found what certainly looks like

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organisms isn't that life from space and

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on top of that this is the same

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scientist who and you might have seen

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this I mean I've talked about it but

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he's the guy who had a detector that

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um a small met or sphere impacted into

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it and there was like organic goo coming

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out right so he's like you know is there

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some kind of panspermia seed you know

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like an artificial technology so these

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are like wild things that have already

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been found like you're quite right that

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you know those things should have made a

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bigger impact in the human psyche than

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they have and they should reverberate it

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than they did and he he has kind of

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that people were scared to lose their

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funding they were scared of being made

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um and that you know rather than being

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exciting topic it was considered yeah

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like you know don't go there you'll ruin

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your career so now how have people look

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problem you know in our minds you know

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just say keep stacking up papers I think

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it's got more to do with human

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psychology than than the evidence at

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this point isn't it you know it's like

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well it sort of doesn't look at evidence

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as well what good is you know that you

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have that problem you could have a

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spaceship if I turn away and I'm not not

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looking at I don't see a spaceship at it

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I don't see it you know because I don't

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want to I don't want this problem

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sure how we resolve other than getting

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very difficult to say even at the

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academic Community to all suddenly

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change and say hey let's seriously

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over the years have come up with stuff

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Mars life experiment he spent his whole

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life to his last dying day saying that

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they found life on Mars and he would he

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conferences and and ignored and they

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never went back to check his results you

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back to check it was like how dare you

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meant to do you know it's really wacky

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were respected but as soon as they do

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the wrong thing suddenly they're a crank

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you know because they found something oh

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really get it Alex you know I mean that

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it's like that well they don't I mean

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because there's it's so true it's like

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axiomatic at this point on every topic

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that you know it's the red pilled on

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people believe weird things which is

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interesting for a while and then quickly

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loses its interest I'll tell you where I

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wanted to direct your focus because I

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think it's a topic that really needs to

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be addressed by you and that is kind of

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Valerie Borough uh alteringa uh

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so if people don't know here's where I'd

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like you to kind of take us you have

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always acknowledged I mean very upfront

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say Hey you know there here is this and

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I'm going to set this over aside because

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some of the stuff she says does sound

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very wacky in this kind of channeled way

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but like the other data point is the cat

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the other day to point I would bring

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like uh Andrea padreich of course I mean

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padreich is at the time that he starts

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channeling the nine he is uh highly

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and teacher at Northwestern he's highly

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respected by the government the Army the

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CIA he's like the top top guy right and

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who was this Council sounds a lot like

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Valerie burrow even though people can

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that what it raises is you know the

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whole issue of what it's like speaking

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but I think we need to unpack that kind

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of scientifically if you will and say

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okay because what you've done and I want

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you to kind of tell the story what

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you've done is said okay might there be

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anything in there that is useful from a

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scientific perspective and how would I

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go about doing that so what I'd say is

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the next step and what I want to do with

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you today if we can is lean into it even

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more rather than you know

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compartmentalize and say okay it's wacky

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but it's over there and I'm going to go

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forth my stuff what if we really went

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there all the way and tried to

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understand

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the wackiness and why it's wacky and

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what other stuff we rely on that's wacky

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and how misinformation is wacky in the

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same way and it's being used and there's

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a whole bunch of stuff there but

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I appreciate you letting me do that long

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setup because I want you to understand

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where I'm going with

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yeah no absolutely I mean it's

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um I think this is again an issue in

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human consciousness that we want even

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our aliens to be reasonable with us

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you know that they're supposed to be

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behaving kind of reasonably they're

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allowed to be a bit different you know

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like some guy from a far-off land is a

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bit different know the different

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language and culture but not too

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different it can't be full-on you know

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Harry Potter magical weirdness stuff oh

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no you know now you've gone a bit too

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far now it's just science fiction you

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know because it's not fitting into a

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kind of a pre-arranged

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um landscape or what aliens should be

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like yeah and um and also sometimes

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that's because actually they're too

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similar you know it can be that they're

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behavior in an extraordinary way or it

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could be that they're too similar we say

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well that's a very human thinking you

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must be just projecting human thinking

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onto the aliens so I think in a way you

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can't totally win you know because

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you're always gonna have some element

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that will be seen as being well no

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that's kooky so even if it's real and I

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think that that's you'll be starting

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with that problem that there's an

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immediate there's a pre-existing filter

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and it's a bit like

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um the issue they had they did a project

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to look at series to see and they were

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running some AI to see if they could see

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anomalies on the dwarf planet series

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right and the the AI picked up Geometry

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I found this what was a triangle a

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circle and a square some people may have

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seen this in the study

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um and so and then they got some people

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to volunteer and look as well and the

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people also saw geometry right and so

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they thought well clearly then the AI is

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being influenced by the human

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programmers to see stuff that isn't

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there in the way that humans do so you

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know it's like you can't win can you

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because like you pick up something well

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that must be because the AI is just as

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stupid as we are right so that bias

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instead of saying maybe there's

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something here let's look closer you

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know maybe we found this extraordinary

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it's like hmm no well that can't be it

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you know we've had to try and normalize

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that result away somehow and that seems

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to be like as we said that's across the

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board you know whether it's coming from

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space whether it's series whether it's

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um you know paranormal stuff connecting

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with alien contacts

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that there's I don't know if there's

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anything that really fits through the

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shape hole that we're being given for

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alien intelligence let me interject

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there because that's really well said

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and I love your point about can't be too

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different can't be too similar at the

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same time you know what you've done and

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I want you to kind of retrace those

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steps for people so they understand uh

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because I know I've just kind of thrown

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out Valerie burrow and altering and 90

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of people are like have no clue what I'm

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even talking about so you know what you

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picked up out of that story and then

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also then we'll talk about the stuff

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about that story that would probably set

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people to going like wait a minute

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dinosaurs were you know I mean to do

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some kind of wackiness to it too so lay

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the basic groundwork you know you're

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there in Australia you run across this

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and then you know you start piling up

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evidence to support certain parts of it

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that whole process you know how were you

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even able to go you knew this was

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the third rail when you touched it you

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know but why did you even go there I

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mean I guess would be one question yeah

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no that's that's fair I mean

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um I've touched on it a little bit I've

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seen the in the book that you know this

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can have a longer kind of backstory of

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my life that

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um particularly going back to around

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2002 when I was I was quite interested

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in and experimenting in shamanic

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practices mediumship

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um you know psychic development you know

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all of that field I got quite sort of

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drawn into this is at the time I was a

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banker in in um Bank National Paris in

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London and you know the that's not a

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life normally that fits very well with

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that you know it's obviously again with

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preconceptions people wouldn't expect

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you to be involved with those things

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right because they're very materialist

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kind of role but I did get involved with

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those things and one of the experiences

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I had working with the shamanic practice

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was being in an altered state where one

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of the kind of visionary experiences

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that I had was suddenly being like on a

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craft flying towards Earth uh experience

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it being as though I was the being who

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was piloting this craft you know this

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tall humanoid in this kind of tight

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fitting blue jumpsuit and an awareness

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that this craft is flying away from a

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disaster in space where a lot of allies

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have been destroyed and that there's

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some Pursuit and that was experience I

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had now I had no context for that just

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the same as I guess millions of other

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people who've had strange experiences

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you know meditation maybe have no

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context they just have these

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extraordinary experiences so that was

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kind of filed away in in the well that

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was weird you know

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um but then yeah many years later when I

430
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encountered

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um this story which is actually because

432
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I was collaborating on a book called

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Ancient Aliens in Australia in 2013.

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um

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which is a collaboration with Stephen

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and Evan strong Australian researchers

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who had been they were involved with

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some stuff to do with a backstory uh

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Aboriginal out of Australia Theory and

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also uh contact with beings from the

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Pleiades kind of um stories so we had

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had some experiences ourselves to go to

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Daniella which we've written about the

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past talked about where she'd had kind

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of contact experiences and these

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intelligences claim to contact with the

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Pleiades so you know there was an

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overlap so someone connected us with

449
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them and whilst working on that book

450
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they made us aware of Valerie Barrow and

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her book and how that seemed to tie in

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you know this story of entities from

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that star cluster coming here and when I

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read it I realized that you know that

455
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scene with this ship destroyed in space

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and people haven't heard of this there's

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this description of a large craft

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destroyed in orbit smaller a few smaller

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craft coming down you know racing

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towards Earth with Pursuit behind them

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you know some of them being destroyed

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and this awareness obviously this

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disaster and so you know of course

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suddenly uh you know those neurons light

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up in the back of your brain they've

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been storing that that weird experience

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for you know 10 years and realizing that

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well that sounds similar doesn't it that

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sounds absolutely like what I was kind

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of shown this little snippet of

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that that's what made me take more note

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than just saying oh that's a weird story

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it's nothing to do with me you know I've

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got other things to do instead I was

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very intrigued to then follow up and see

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why did I have that experience why am I

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now connecting with somebody that's

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describing you know the very very

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similar scenario

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um so when you put that in the the

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combine that with the fact that my wife

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has had some kind of contacts and I've

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had you know less so she's a very gifted

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intuitive and Shaman so her experience

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is a more profound than mine but I've

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also had some levels of I say picking up

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information intuitively so you know we

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both had our experiences which makes you

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more open to the possibility of course

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of some of these other strange things

491
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that you hear and so when when I combine

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my experiences her experiences uh the

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fit of the information and the size and

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scale of some of the events described

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you know you put that in I was thinking

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well

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if this is real which feel it might be

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these events at least a few of them are

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on such a big scale that you could

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potentially look to see if they are

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falsifiable

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um and then on on top of that you know I

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don't need to go out publicly and do

504
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this initially you know I could just

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quietly look at it and see if there's

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anything to it right because if I found

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that there wasn't then you just well

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move on with your life doing other

509
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things even if secretly you believe it

510
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right you don't need to put it out there

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so I kind of set the kind of the

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framework that you know unless there was

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enough there that I could argue that

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case with a skeptic you know

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um then I would probably keep it to

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myself so that that's how it came about

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and obviously at some stage I decided

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that there was enough support for this

519
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story that it was worth putting it out

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there and being willing to maybe take a

521
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:28,740
few tomatoes in the face from Skeptics

522
00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:31,440
and debunkers and all the rest of it but

523
00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:34,200
sort of stand your ground and argue that

524
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,700
you know there is support for this I

525
00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:37,679
think it's real well and I think you

526
00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:39,960
that's what your work has been about in

527
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:41,640
terms of making that case in a very

528
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rigorous way and people can go listen to

529
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,140
the prior interviews that's what we talk

530
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,720
about uh watch your numerous read your

531
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book read your book and I make the case

532
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see if you agree

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and then in particular what's super

534
00:20:00,650 --> 00:19:57,360
great about the sub stack is it's kind

535
00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:00,660
of updating us and you seem like a very

536
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,580
fair honest researcher in that you're

537
00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:04,320
just putting out I I feel like if

538
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something came out that severely

539
00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:09,059
contradicted your thing that would be up

540
00:20:13,310 --> 00:20:11,100
there too because you do deal with you

541
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:13,320
know it's not all kind of one-sided but

542
00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:16,260
so much of it comes up in alignment with

543
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one of some of the stuff that you've

544
00:20:23,870 --> 00:20:21,299
said so with that as a background and I

545
00:20:26,810 --> 00:20:23,880
appreciate you laying that out now I

546
00:20:28,970 --> 00:20:26,820
want to lean into uh Valerie's

547
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,980
channeling experience because I think

548
00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:31,440
that's a real limitation that we have in

549
00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:33,900
this community if you'll allow that is

550
00:20:38,990 --> 00:20:37,020
we want to kind of you know again

551
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,000
bracket stuff like oh that's Channel

552
00:20:43,490 --> 00:20:41,520
material just throw all that away or

553
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,500
it's channeled material but it's from a

554
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,600
really really good source let's take it

555
00:20:50,810 --> 00:20:48,240
all and I like where you started with

556
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,820
too similar two different and the other

557
00:20:54,669 --> 00:20:53,280
thing that I guess I'd want to apply to

558
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,679
it is

559
00:20:58,450 --> 00:20:56,640
storytelling

560
00:21:01,390 --> 00:20:58,460
and how

561
00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:01,400
storytelling and dream interpretation

562
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:05,880
and uh psychic readings are all

563
00:21:10,210 --> 00:21:08,700
different examples of where we get into

564
00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:10,220
this kind of

565
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,320
imaginal mixed with the real kind of

566
00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:15,360
stuff that we deal with and sort through

567
00:21:20,650 --> 00:21:17,820
all the time and I wonder if we

568
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:20,660
shouldn't try and apply that same lens

569
00:21:27,049 --> 00:21:24,000
to some of this channel material I feel

570
00:21:28,909 --> 00:21:27,059
like that's what you've done I feel like

571
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:28,919
you need to kind of take the next step

572
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,900
and say

573
00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:33,360
what are the limitations of that where

574
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,640
can I kind of draw the line and say gosh

575
00:21:40,130 --> 00:21:37,679
you know when I do run across stuff

576
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,140
where Valerie does seem to be kind of in

577
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,720
the weeds a little bit and the lion

578
00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:45,360
being who says that you know we're just

579
00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:47,460
gonna do this or that you know these

580
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,799
reptilians are so bad except this one

581
00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:52,080
who's really smart and nice and kind of

582
00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:53,880
came on our team and it sounds you know

583
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,200
right out of but so leaning into it how

584
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:01,440
are you processing like what information

585
00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:04,260
to follow up on what information not to

586
00:22:09,549 --> 00:22:07,740
follow up on and how to understand why

587
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:09,559
some of it may be

588
00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:11,700
more imaginal

589
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:13,860
sure yeah I mean one of the things I

590
00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:17,159
think you know you if you have a fairly

591
00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:21,179
wide awareness of say the UFO topic the

592
00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:23,220
alien you know Ancient Aliens or contact

593
00:22:28,190 --> 00:22:26,039
e topics uh and generally the let's say

594
00:22:30,289 --> 00:22:28,200
the the psychical and new age and

595
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:30,299
Consciousness if you have a diverse

596
00:22:34,669 --> 00:22:32,220
awareness of all those fields one of the

597
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:34,679
things you know is that there's a lot of

598
00:22:38,930 --> 00:22:37,080
horse in there you know like spread

599
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:38,940
out across these fields there's a lot of

600
00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:41,460
questions and also in many cases that's

601
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:43,260
where someone has had a strange

602
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,200
experience and they were they feel that

603
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:48,240
they were given information you know we

604
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,320
could say whether that was from

605
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,080
internally or an alien ghost whatever

606
00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:53,760
but they feel that they were given some

607
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,039
kind of profound message and later on

608
00:23:01,549 --> 00:22:58,559
it's turned out that that either all of

609
00:23:03,169 --> 00:23:01,559
that was rubbish or some significant

610
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,179
part of it and that they've been kind of

611
00:23:06,409 --> 00:23:04,799
Hoodwinked and there's a lot of cases

612
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:06,419
where people's lives have been ruined

613
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:08,700
absolutely destroyed like that they've

614
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:09,720
gone out and they've said you know the

615
00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:11,400
UFOs are landing on the mountain and

616
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:13,320
they've told everyone or they've sold

617
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:15,000
their house and you know they've gone

618
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,440
all in because it's so convincing

619
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:17,520
because sometimes you know you'll get

620
00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:19,140
something that is real like for example

621
00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:20,460
you know they say there's an earthquake

622
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:22,500
next Thursday and that's the beginning

623
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:24,659
and then the earthquake happens so then

624
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,340
these people go all in

625
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,840
and I think that's that's the problem

626
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,000
with these kind of fields is that you

627
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,159
know it's they're so extraordinary and

628
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:33,600
if you're compelled with it something

629
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,360
brings you into it you can slide very

630
00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:38,460
quickly down that rabbit hole and it may

631
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:41,340
not be going where you think it is so

632
00:23:45,289 --> 00:23:43,380
um you do have to be aware that you know

633
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:45,299
that the human mind

634
00:23:49,310 --> 00:23:47,400
can conjure up parts of these things

635
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,320
even if you are getting some kind of

636
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:51,120
legitimate information as you said you

637
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,620
could have a part that's imaginable to

638
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,900
this and also it's possible there are

639
00:23:58,909 --> 00:23:57,120
intelligences that do provide some

640
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:58,919
information but for their own reasons

641
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,260
are also giving some kind of propaganda

642
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,080
or disinformation to you right in the

643
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:06,000
same way that humans do right to each

644
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:07,200
other and we can see that we live in a

645
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:09,539
time where of ceaseless propaganda and

646
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:11,640
misinformation and disinformation and

647
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,580
half truths so I mean you have to apply

648
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:16,799
that to kind of the Paranormal the alien

649
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:19,799
spheres the UFO topic all of that and

650
00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:22,980
you know I've had an experience with the

651
00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:24,780
events that my wife and I had without

652
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:27,240
what was going on with us back in 2012

653
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:29,640
and 13 but we had information that came

654
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,520
to us and some of that now I would say

655
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,980
was you know either they didn't really

656
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,200
know what was going on or that they were

657
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:39,179
wrong or whatever but I definitely went

658
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:41,280
a bit more all in than than I probably

659
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:43,320
should have without more critical

660
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,500
analysis and that in many ways I now

661
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:48,840
look at as having been preparation to do

662
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:52,080
this because I think otherwise I

663
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,220
probably would have just gone straight

664
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:55,919
all in on this and not really have been

665
00:24:59,630 --> 00:24:57,720
as critical with it as I am but because

666
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:59,640
having just having been burned once

667
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:01,500
right then you're not going to stick

668
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,260
your hand in that fire a second time you

669
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,360
know not without some glove on some kind

670
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:08,280
of protection from knowing that it can

671
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:09,299
hurt

672
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,780
um so I think that's perhaps why I you

673
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:14,400
know some ways I'm quite cautious and

674
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:15,000
you're right saying that you know

675
00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:16,380
sometimes of course you have information

676
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,500
out or what I will go all in on or

677
00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:21,780
um and not saying I believe things true

678
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:24,840
from this because there's a long history

679
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:28,440
of that kind of result from just

680
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,900
believing a ghost or an alien or or your

681
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,059
inner self or whatever and then finding

682
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:35,760
that that's a half true and just enough

683
00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:38,039
rope to hang yourself with is given you

684
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:39,059
know

685
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:40,980
um so that that's kind of how I've

686
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,539
framed this because I look at it I can

687
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:44,640
say that you know there's this enormous

688
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,620
kind of body of information this larger

689
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:49,440
story you know with 40 odd people

690
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,419
involved Alex you know so it's an

691
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:53,279
enormous case really there's you know

692
00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:55,080
when I spoke to Valerie and I met her at

693
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:56,460
her home she said you know there was

694
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:58,020
yeah I think it was like 45 people or

695
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:59,820
something like that who over the course

696
00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:01,380
of the few years when she was really

697
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:03,480
heavily kind of involved with what was

698
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:05,820
happening that they would either come to

699
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,320
her house kind of spontaneously

700
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:08,940
sometimes it was clients for her

701
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:10,200
regression

702
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:12,299
um you know business sometimes people

703
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,860
that she didn't know in a car park

704
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:15,120
someone stopped and start telling her

705
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,679
that had all these memories

706
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,960
um people that she showed pictures of

707
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:20,700
the Gosford glyphs too sometimes they

708
00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:22,020
would just start saying they remembered

709
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,700
this story so it was a really weird kind

710
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:25,559
of backstory but there's you know 40 odd

711
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:27,000
people so that's that's massive and

712
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,500
complex already because you've got all

713
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:30,000
those people and what was going on in

714
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:31,860
their heads and their lives and you know

715
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:33,900
were they telling the truth and you know

716
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:36,059
to put that on top of it and then a

717
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:37,980
reincarnational aspect that you know

718
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,960
people say they remember living in that

719
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,279
life not just sitting there seeing

720
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,200
visions of an alien spaceship but

721
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:45,360
they're experiencing it as having lived

722
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:48,900
in that time either as as an alien or as

723
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:51,299
an early hominin or is that you know

724
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:53,100
either side of the aliens they're

725
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,260
friendly and bad aliens

726
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,320
um that adds two layers of complex you

727
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,480
know reincarnation which again is

728
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:02,400
controversial

729
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,020
um and then on top of that the idea that

730
00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:06,480
you know multiple aliens are involved

731
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:07,559
here you know you can see how it's

732
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:08,700
Fanning out and you've got more and more

733
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,820
people more complexity more areas that

734
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:13,740
are completely unprovable

735
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:16,679
or not even very easy to support at all

736
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:19,020
a lot of people I don't know I've never

737
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:21,720
met involved in that backstory uh many

738
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,820
of whom I I think have passed on you

739
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,320
know including Valerie unfortunately has

740
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:28,080
passed on so you know Jerry the other

741
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:30,059
like to see the other main person in

742
00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:32,100
this story Jerry the Aboriginal Elder

743
00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:34,620
you know he's passed on so it's not I

744
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:37,820
can go to them now and you know get more

745
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:40,440
directly from their perspective I don't

746
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:41,940
know who all these other people are so

747
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,080
there's a lot of kind of limitations

748
00:27:47,890 --> 00:27:45,600
around that right so so you're with what

749
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:47,900
you've got and that's what I want to do

750
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:51,659
because you the the amazing thing and

751
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:53,940
the really wonderful thing about what

752
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:56,580
you bring to this is you do have this

753
00:28:03,350 --> 00:27:59,880
scientific rigor and you do have the the

754
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:03,360
means to understand the science that a

755
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:05,880
lot of people in this field don't so you

756
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:09,000
speak with uh Authority because you have

757
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:11,940
read this stuff and get it so what I

758
00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:13,559
thought would be interesting is again

759
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:17,159
let's lean into the accounts of this

760
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:19,740
experience of these 40 people who

761
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:22,380
brought through the El charinga stuff

762
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:25,080
and let's go through the three major

763
00:28:31,149 --> 00:28:28,740
kind of components of your findings and

764
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,159
then I'd like you to kind of

765
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:33,840
re-examine the story and see where you

766
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:35,880
think it might go where you think there

767
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,100
might be dead ends to the story or where

768
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,440
it probably shouldn't go you know so we

769
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,320
could even start with the the ship you

770
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:45,900
know so you're finding these you have

771
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:49,860
this amazing body of research of data

772
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:51,960
that you put together on these astral

773
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:55,860
tactites and people can go look at that

774
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:00,480
um so what else is there in the

775
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,779
channeled material that we would want to

776
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:06,539
pursue further and what might we you

777
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,400
know kind of call into question like one

778
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,320
of the things I always seemed kind of

779
00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:12,419
strange to me is you know they keep

780
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:14,580
stressing that the ship is defenseless

781
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:16,980
the ship is defenseless it's just an and

782
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,600
at the same time there's the police

783
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:20,399
force that comes in and bombards the

784
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:23,159
planet you know five it doesn't really

785
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,299
add up totally or that they're on this

786
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,220
Mission and they're gonna it's gonna

787
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,980
take a long time to get there why does

788
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,960
it take such a long time how long is

789
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:36,000
that time and they're all living this

790
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:38,039
kind of communal lifestyle and kind of

791
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:41,880
stuff a lot of it seems like

792
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:43,980
to use your thing a little bit too

793
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,200
similar a little bit too much like these

794
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:48,960
other stories we've heard so my the

795
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:50,700
bigger question if I can pull back to it

796
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:55,080
again is what part of the the craft do

797
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:58,200
you feel compelled to pursue further and

798
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:01,260
pull into your Deep dive from a

799
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:03,240
scientific standpoint and what part do

800
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,220
you want to leave behind

801
00:30:09,049 --> 00:30:07,440
yeah I mean sure it's I mean

802
00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:09,059
let me just a quick for people aren't

803
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,159
sure I mean you know this it starts off

804
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:13,620
with a very extraordinary event this um

805
00:30:18,649 --> 00:30:16,919
the trip to Gosford you know where

806
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:18,659
you've got an Aboriginal Elder has

807
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,940
turned up at Valerie's house after she's

808
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:23,520
received this agent artifact of turinga

809
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:24,840
you know now she's got an Aboriginal

810
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:26,940
Elder knocking on the door so a strange

811
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:29,640
synchronous kind of situation uh He

812
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:31,620
suggests going to Gosford uh where

813
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,820
there's an Aboriginal sacred site

814
00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:34,799
there's also these controversial

815
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:37,020
Egyptian like hardless the whole of the

816
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:38,700
controversy everywhere those are old or

817
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:39,480
not

818
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:41,220
um but he's suggesting to go there and

819
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:43,020
so they go there and he has a time slip

820
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,539
and a time slip yeah another weird wacky

821
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:48,000
kind of claim that most people would

822
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,260
dismiss straight away but at the same

823
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:51,360
time you and I know there is accounts of

824
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,880
these out there in in the Paranormal

825
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:55,799
world where people suddenly find that

826
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:57,240
they're in the same place but in a

827
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,380
different time I mean there's a couple

828
00:31:01,250 --> 00:30:59,760
of famous cases in there with the two

829
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:01,260
teachers in the garden of Versailles

830
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,520
where suddenly they see all these people

831
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:04,620
in costumes and I think that they're a

832
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:07,140
kind of reproduction and then they walk

833
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,460
through this missed to have and they're

834
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,440
back to the party so they have that kind

835
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,760
of experience but now they're seeing a

836
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:14,159
crashed craft down in the water

837
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:16,020
um they're remembering being these

838
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:17,700
visitors you know one of the members

839
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,279
being the pilot of the crashed craft and

840
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:21,960
they get this information so it begins

841
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:24,899
with you know highly extraordinary kind

842
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:27,240
of plunging straight over the edge of

843
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,460
the cliff weirdness right you know it's

844
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:31,919
not as simple as say someone sat and

845
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,960
meditated and they've got this download

846
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:36,240
you know which we hear about so this is

847
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:38,039
like it's a much more full-on straight

848
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,659
away there's a barrier to people because

849
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,340
they can probably take the download

850
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,399
stuff easier than the time slip and

851
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:45,840
feeling like that was your past life

852
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:48,299
that's some really hardcore weird right

853
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:51,059
at the get-go right and then so then

854
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:52,980
they obviously see this craft this giant

855
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,320
they're told it's a giant living ship

856
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,419
that's been grown on a planet somewhere

857
00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:59,580
it's not made it's grown and imbued with

858
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:01,860
Consciousness so it's alive so I mean

859
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,500
it's very quickly expanding into really

860
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,720
quite extraordinary and for the time

861
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:09,360
quite advanced sci-fi kind of Concepts

862
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,940
right that you know 3D printed living

863
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:14,640
silica ships that are you know Moon

864
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:16,679
sized flying around out there I mean now

865
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:18,600
yeah The Cutting Edge of science is kind

866
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,220
of talking about that stuff right Alex

867
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,840
you know but at the time you're thinking

868
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:23,760
if this is just you know like a new age

869
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:25,860
lady singing our house imagining stuff

870
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,260
I'll give her some credit because even

871
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:31,080
those Concepts alone like are amazing

872
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,700
where most people would never think of

873
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,740
that kind of Rich As a detail you know

874
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,480
that even the ship is not made you know

875
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:38,580
it's grown from silicone some you know

876
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:40,740
Matrix and then is imbued with a living

877
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,360
Consciousness why would you go there

878
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:43,919
like why not just say there was a

879
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:46,679
spaceship and it came here and you know

880
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,080
so those kind of details as well I

881
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:51,360
always find I think that in itself is

882
00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:53,520
compelling because it does make you

883
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,899
wonder you know if someone who has no

884
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:56,159
experience of writing science fiction

885
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:58,679
and yet they're coming up and it's not a

886
00:33:02,269 --> 00:33:00,419
scientist they're not they're not I know

887
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,279
for me she's not someone who's reading

888
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:04,740
new scientists or something right so

889
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:05,940
this isn't someone who you'd expect to

890
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:07,799
have these Concepts especially back in

891
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:10,620
like the uh the early 90s and stuff you

892
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,860
know so that alone is kind of I think

893
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:15,120
should make people just scratch their

894
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:16,440
head a little bit you know because they

895
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:17,820
can look at Valerie's life and say well

896
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,260
this is the person who's going to you

897
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,480
know ashrams in India and doing a

898
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:23,039
meditation and talking about star people

899
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:25,019
but yeah where is she getting these

900
00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:26,700
Concepts we're now looking at the

901
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:28,940
Forefront of science as to how we expect

902
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:31,260
advanced intelligence is to actually

903
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:33,059
behave and the kind of Technologies we

904
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,340
think they probably would have can I ask

905
00:33:39,289 --> 00:33:37,440
a specific question about that because I

906
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:39,299
think that's awesome I love where you

907
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,340
took that this is one of the hardest

908
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,559
issues right now because of the

909
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:46,320
advancement the huge leap we've made in

910
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:50,519
uh in AI so the question is is AI going

911
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,220
to be imbued with Consciousness how

912
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,440
would that come about would it be from

913
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,880
some external Source would it

914
00:34:01,789 --> 00:33:59,039
organically just kind of emerge in it

915
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:01,799
all the rest is it even possible

916
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:05,279
again you are like super plugged into so

917
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:07,380
many different topics where do you think

918
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:08,940
we're going to wind up in five or ten

919
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,240
years in terms of testing out that idea

920
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,700
yeah I mean firstly I know that you know

921
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:16,740
looking at the work of

922
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,119
um I'm trying to think of the lady's

923
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:20,460
name there's an excellentic alien Minds

924
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:22,139
like I don't know if you've ever read

925
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,780
this but basically it's an asset of kind

926
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:26,639
of what you might expect of alien

927
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:28,679
Technologies you know particularly and

928
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:31,740
there's a look at silica as an

929
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:33,960
alternative to kind of carbon for life

930
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:35,820
forms and how you can you can

931
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:37,820
essentially with silica you can have

932
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:41,280
enormous kind of constructs of silica

933
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:42,359
right so you could have like a moon

934
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,240
sized silica like Computing technology

935
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,119
so in other words like a super brain

936
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,399
right because we're limited by the size

937
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:52,980
of our head like you know a silica State

938
00:34:59,290 --> 00:34:56,339
kind of AI is not limited in its size so

939
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,300
the to the processing power can be

940
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,440
unbelievable so if we start with that

941
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:04,080
okay so we can do amazing things now is

942
00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:05,880
it that doesn't mean itself where

943
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:07,260
Consciousness right and it's truly alive

944
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,000
but you you can certainly start with the

945
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:10,800
premise that if you have a big enough

946
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:13,140
silica construct that it would be able

947
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,240
to compute you know things that we can't

948
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:17,220
imagine thinking through and you can do

949
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:19,020
that in seconds you know split seconds

950
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,820
and oh yes I understand you know the

951
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,920
motion of four star systems and how the

952
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:24,720
Stars you know whereas we would probably

953
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:27,300
spend you know years and years and years

954
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:29,339
of top Minds trying to understand the

955
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,740
Dynamics of that star system right a

956
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:33,359
brain that size a computer that size

957
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:35,700
would do that probably in seconds so but

958
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,800
that doesn't mean computing power isn't

959
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:40,079
the same as self-referential

960
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:42,540
Consciousness and an awareness right of

961
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,960
self and who I am so I I'm I tend to

962
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,240
lean more towards the feeling that we

963
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:50,400
live in a conscious universe and if you

964
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:52,140
build systems that are sufficiently

965
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:54,060
complex to allow that Consciousness to

966
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:55,980
be imbued into it that it's almost like

967
00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:58,079
if you build it it will come then I I

968
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,880
think that the Consciousness is arising

969
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:02,400
into the machine rather than from the

970
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:03,960
machine because you're creating

971
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:06,119
something that will allow non-physical

972
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,760
consciousnesses right there I believe I

973
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:10,680
suspect that could then inhabit that

974
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:12,180
because if the universe itself is

975
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,579
conscious you know that kind of view

976
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:17,040
which you know many people take I

977
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,480
suspect that that is the case I think

978
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:19,619
that fundamentally in the beginning

979
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:22,140
there was already Consciousness no

980
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,060
matter what that Universe looked like in

981
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,880
that first second you know I believe it

982
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,280
had Consciousness in it and that it has

983
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:31,560
arisen into us the animals and probably

984
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:33,660
you know I don't know crystal matrixes

985
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,980
in the ground and stuff and things that

986
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:36,599
we don't recognize as light but there's

987
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:38,339
consciousness

988
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:40,380
out there in all sorts of strange form I

989
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,020
imagine in strange forms right that's my

990
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,839
personal feeling now of course I can't

991
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:47,520
um support that because one of the

992
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,020
problems we have courses we only have

993
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:51,420
the the reference of one planet

994
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:53,099
so we say what's happened on Earth and

995
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,900
that's how things are developed but we

996
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,920
don't really know I mean there's

997
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:57,480
questions now of what is life let's not

998
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:00,180
saying life lyf the idea that there's

999
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:02,579
life that's not the way we think of it

1000
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,900
and again that could be something like

1001
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:06,000
living crystal matrixes in a moon

1002
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,560
somewhere where we wouldn't look at it

1003
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:09,599
and think it was alive but technically

1004
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:11,820
it is alive right

1005
00:37:15,950 --> 00:37:13,859
um so I do wonder about it I think it's

1006
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,960
more likely that yeah if you build a

1007
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:17,760
computer system complex enough that

1008
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:20,280
allows for a brain like

1009
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:23,099
um experience that that may then allow

1010
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,220
something to enter into the system that

1011
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,800
becomes life right so that's that's my

1012
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,200
personal feeling great and I think it's

1013
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:32,640
kind of more than personal I think you

1014
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:35,220
back it up in a really great way and

1015
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:37,320
we're going to move on to genetics in a

1016
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:39,420
minute and genetic engineering but I

1017
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:40,680
think it's interesting and you point

1018
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:44,339
this out in exogenesis and in I think in

1019
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:46,680
the recent one of the recent uh techno

1020
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,260
signature substack articles but that

1021
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,380
there's a parallel that you know build

1022
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:54,960
build it and they will come relates to

1023
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,839
Consciousness too you know in terms of

1024
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,880
build it sophisticated enough and then

1025
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:02,160
Consciousness comes in the one thing I

1026
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:04,200
wanted to backtrack and talk about is

1027
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:06,540
the time slip because I think you're

1028
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:09,480
completely right I think this is uh Back

1029
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:11,099
to the Future with or without the

1030
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:13,260
DeLorean kind of thing uncomfortable

1031
00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:15,180
science fiction where do we go with it

1032
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:17,339
but at the same time we should be so

1033
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:18,900
much more comfortable with this than we

1034
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:21,060
are and people have precognitive dreams

1035
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,339
all the time I mean just go talk to your

1036
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:25,740
extended family and you will certainly

1037
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:27,240
find accounts of somebody who had a

1038
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,820
pre-cognitive dream that is a time slip

1039
00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:32,280
right they are traveling in time and we

1040
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:34,520
all realize that we travel back in time

1041
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,839
kind of more frequently if we look at

1042
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:39,119
those cases so it's interesting again

1043
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:40,619
like you were saying before of like you

1044
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:43,260
know I don't see a spaceship I don't see

1045
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,020
any Time Slips no I'm anchored into this

1046
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:48,000
time space continuum okay I don't want

1047
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:50,280
to go down too far you brought up a

1048
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:53,160
great one on the ship right one place

1049
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:57,180
that Valerie's account more broadly than

1050
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:58,740
Valerie because like you said there's

1051
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,660
other people that are kind of involved

1052
00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:03,000
in bringing this forward anything else

1053
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:06,420
about the ship the technology associated

1054
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,660
with that that you see on your horizon

1055
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:11,820
that could be brought in from that story

1056
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:13,859
and turned into something more

1057
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:15,540
scientific

1058
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:17,940
yeah I mean it's um

1059
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,040
I mean there's somewhat limited details

1060
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,440
you know so it's in terms of this you

1061
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:24,420
know the ship in specifics you know we

1062
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,460
know that there's the kind of actually

1063
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:28,920
had beings on board and that's it wasn't

1064
00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:31,560
just a living and that there was

1065
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:34,440
some kind of biology on both beings and

1066
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,880
apparently plants and all sorts of

1067
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:37,619
things there's so there's additional

1068
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:39,300
aspects to it's not just you know a

1069
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:41,339
robot flying around

1070
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,500
um you know I guess one of these are

1071
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:46,140
interesting is the possibility that

1072
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,140
someone with the knowledge of of

1073
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,359
engineering and chemistry is I could

1074
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:54,420
look at the components in tektites and

1075
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,540
say well why would you build

1076
00:40:02,089 --> 00:39:59,520
a ship from that you know or why would

1077
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:02,099
you build an AI structure using those

1078
00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:04,200
chemicals You Know This Much silica this

1079
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,300
much aluminum this much of you know

1080
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:08,760
phosphorus and magnesium and you know so

1081
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:10,440
that's an angle that I would really love

1082
00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:12,119
to explore with someone who has that

1083
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:14,099
knowledge perhaps a scientist in the you

1084
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:15,420
know in that world of building

1085
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:17,700
spaceships or building computer systems

1086
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:19,079
to them to actually kind of reverse

1087
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,240
engineer the thinking of an intelligence

1088
00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:23,700
that would use those specific

1089
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:25,500
um components because I I don't have

1090
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:26,520
that knowledge I mean I've looked

1091
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:28,440
cursorarily and seen that I think with

1092
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,420
some of the NASA spaceships certainly

1093
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,880
there's an overlap with the with the

1094
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:34,560
chemicals that have been found in these

1095
00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:35,940
tektites

1096
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:37,380
um but you know obviously it's not going

1097
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:38,700
to be absolutely the same because

1098
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:40,200
between a very different kind of

1099
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:44,040
Technology but if somebody does have

1100
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,540
that kind of knowledge is in The Cutting

1101
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:47,700
Edge of this field you know could they

1102
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:49,320
then look at that and go back through it

1103
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:52,200
and say well yeah I can see why you'd

1104
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,420
want to be putting aluminum and with um

1105
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:56,280
with phosphorus you know in the Shell of

1106
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:57,960
this craft I can see why that would help

1107
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:00,599
with you know computer processing or

1108
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:02,460
um of course the problem we have is that

1109
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,380
this is all mixed you know it melted so

1110
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:06,960
it's come down as as class so it's not

1111
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,760
like a chunk of the frame you know where

1112
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:10,560
you can hold it up and say well that

1113
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:12,180
that's obviously part of a computer

1114
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,740
panel or something you know which of

1115
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:15,900
course is the ideal

1116
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,700
the other side is enough so I touched on

1117
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:19,440
a bit in the subject is you know there

1118
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:22,260
is the potential that maybe parts of

1119
00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:25,260
this craft went down into Antarctica so

1120
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:28,859
now I have no really to go there and do

1121
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,420
that but obviously there are satellite

1122
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,520
imaging and you know there is stuff

1123
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:34,440
going on down there you know a lot of

1124
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:36,060
the time very secretive weird stuff

1125
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:37,500
going on down there not into that

1126
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,900
spawned lots of conspiracies uh theories

1127
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:41,880
you know because we don't know really

1128
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:43,380
what all the research is down in

1129
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:44,940
Antarctica you know but there is the

1130
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:47,940
potential I think to explore whether or

1131
00:41:54,349 --> 00:41:52,079
not there are larger unmelted pieces of

1132
00:41:55,849 --> 00:41:54,359
the frame that have gone into the ice or

1133
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,859
somewhere else along that debris path

1134
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,780
that maybe somebody out there somewhere

1135
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,000
has got a chunk of something weird in

1136
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:01,440
their house you know that they found out

1137
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:03,660
walking in the outback and they've just

1138
00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:04,680
put it in the house you know because

1139
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:06,359
again I I know that kind of stuff

1140
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,220
happens right people find artifacts they

1141
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,599
find things and they become family

1142
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:11,220
heirlooms or whatever you know but they

1143
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:12,599
don't know what to do with it but there

1144
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:14,099
might well be that someone does have

1145
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:15,540
something like that you know a piece

1146
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:17,640
that broke atmosphere and he came down

1147
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:20,099
in a relatively unchurched trace the

1148
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:21,900
more the awareness there is of this kind

1149
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:24,119
of this narrative the more chance we

1150
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:25,980
have somebody who reaches out and says

1151
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,780
you know will I know something or you

1152
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:29,099
know I've had an additional experience

1153
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:31,140
or a scientist who says I looked at what

1154
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:32,820
you're doing and you know what I don't

1155
00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:34,500
want my name on it but I think that that

1156
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:36,359
makes sense some of that you know I I

1157
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,220
think that there is room for those kind

1158
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,560
of additions to this story

1159
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,480
but you know you do need some people

1160
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:45,119
with additional knowledge bases who

1161
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:47,400
could come in and help and I think

1162
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,619
that's that is definitely where we're

1163
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,720
kind of keen to take this project is to

1164
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,700
try and expand and to talk to other

1165
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,400
people that have expertise in areas that

1166
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:58,440
relate to this and who could maybe offer

1167
00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:00,180
insights either anonymously or with

1168
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:01,980
their face on on the topic you know

1169
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:04,200
which I understand that I don't have an

1170
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,660
academic career to lose so I don't have

1171
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:08,880
to to think of that I mean I would hope

1172
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:11,400
other people didn't feel that they had

1173
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:13,079
to lose their career just to talk to us

1174
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:15,180
right but you know that is definitely

1175
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:16,859
another angle to it also of course you

1176
00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:18,300
know there is to claim that this ship

1177
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:20,579
one of these smaller ships went down in

1178
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:23,099
the the waters off of Gosford is that

1179
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:25,619
there could someone go out with a uh you

1180
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,300
know with ground uh what's called you

1181
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:30,000
know radar systems on a boat and skim up

1182
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:32,220
and down there and find an anomaly

1183
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:34,619
buried in the mud there right because I

1184
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:36,300
mean if we found like a disc shaped

1185
00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:39,480
anomaly sitting under you know 50 meters

1186
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,099
of mud or something out in the the bay

1187
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:42,960
just off from where the ghostly glyphs

1188
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:45,180
are well that that would be an amazing

1189
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,380
result and I've had people say you know

1190
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,000
maybe you should get top remote viewers

1191
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,220
and people are on that and see you know

1192
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:52,319
do they feel that that is still there

1193
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:54,780
because if this material is fairly

1194
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:56,700
impervious to time this silica type

1195
00:44:02,930 --> 00:43:59,220
material which I I think can last Almost

1196
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:02,940
indefinitely so it's potentially there

1197
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:05,460
you know that just needs enough people

1198
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:08,700
to be interested to kind of fund that

1199
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:10,380
um or you know someone who already has

1200
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,880
that technology to just go up and down

1201
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:13,920
the bay you know just see if it's I

1202
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:15,720
don't know so easy because I can't do it

1203
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:17,160
right that doesn't mean other people

1204
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:20,099
can't do it and particularly if the the

1205
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,900
information is engaging enough for

1206
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:23,940
people to feel it's real then it's some

1207
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:25,319
of the most important work you could do

1208
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:26,760
in your life you know if you have that

1209
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:29,099
boat already you know why not kind of I

1210
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,480
mean this is it's worth a go we've done

1211
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,640
searches for Less interesting things

1212
00:44:37,069 --> 00:44:34,920
with less results I mean look Loch Ness

1213
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:37,079
Monster look people have done that

1214
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:38,160
plenty of times haven't they they've

1215
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:39,720
gone up and down the lock you know with

1216
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,839
all kinds of Technology with submarines

1217
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,940
um you know lots of expeditions for that

1218
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:47,280
right I I think looking for a crash

1219
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:50,220
Canadian spaceship is no no wacky than

1220
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:51,960
looking for a giant plesiosaur in a

1221
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,900
Scottish lake so and the result if you

1222
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:56,940
found it are far more meaningful than

1223
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:59,220
finding that pleasure saw right so yeah

1224
00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:01,260
that's another angle so there are things

1225
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,180
that can be done and that they may only

1226
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:05,700
exclude the reality of those things but

1227
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:07,800
that's also scientific work right is

1228
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,720
that sometimes you get a null result but

1229
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,579
you exclude that possibility and say

1230
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:14,160
well we did it you know and it'd be I'm

1231
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:15,359
sure it would have a lot of public

1232
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:17,339
interest who said we're looking for a

1233
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:19,500
crash alien spaceship in the bay I mean

1234
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,480
I imagine that that's going to have some

1235
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:23,040
benefits but whoever does that right

1236
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,560
even just to advertise their boat

1237
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,200
company or whatever it is you know

1238
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:29,760
um I think there's a lot of potential in

1239
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:31,079
those kinds of areas yeah I think there

1240
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:32,220
are people out there that have skill

1241
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,859
sets and have information maybe have

1242
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:36,960
artifacts that we can you know

1243
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:39,180
eventually engage with and find out

1244
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:41,400
maybe a bit more on that side of it

1245
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:43,079
again yeah like the ship side of it I

1246
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,700
think it just needs some other people

1247
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:46,319
with perspectives that I don't

1248
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:47,880
necessarily appreciate in terms of

1249
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,220
building these Technologies

1250
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:52,079
um you know I'm obviously self-educating

1251
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:53,940
as much as I can but like any of us you

1252
00:45:58,730 --> 00:45:56,520
know you can only learn so much as one

1253
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,740
person you know trying to learn multiple

1254
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:00,960
disciplines for a topic that really

1255
00:46:06,290 --> 00:46:03,060
ranges across uh you know computer

1256
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,300
Technologies Aerospace ancient history

1257
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:08,400
genetics archeology you know that

1258
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:09,780
there's

1259
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,420
I'm a reasonably smart person but I

1260
00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:15,359
don't think anyone can can know you know

1261
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,339
the full breadth of all those topics

1262
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:19,680
right that you do need these people in

1263
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:21,420
these different disciplines

1264
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:23,099
so that's awesome I mean you really

1265
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:24,540
delivered it more than I could imagine

1266
00:46:32,569 --> 00:46:27,720
on that what if we moved over to the uh

1267
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:32,579
genetic component so first recap where

1268
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:35,460
you took that from the from the

1269
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,819
the channeled material what you found in

1270
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:41,040
just a very high level thing and then

1271
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,740
where that might go sure yeah so part of

1272
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:45,540
the information that is given is this I

1273
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,540
was saying the the story tells this tale

1274
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,920
that they're after the destruction of

1275
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,319
this craft that some survivors a few

1276
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:54,839
survivors come to Earth and that these

1277
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:57,420
these beings realize they can't survive

1278
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,980
now I should just quickly clarify here

1279
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,000
there's another bit that I found is

1280
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:03,119
quite logical and fascinating they were

1281
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:06,180
intending to modify themselves you need

1282
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:08,760
to genetic Technologies but the loss of

1283
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:10,920
their craft leaves them only partially

1284
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:14,040
adapted to this environment and I find

1285
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,660
that's kind of intriguing itself because

1286
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:18,000
you rarely hear that kind of detail in

1287
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:19,260
people's stories like the aliens are

1288
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,400
just walking around on Earth you know

1289
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:22,200
like how how are they doing this you

1290
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:23,700
know why isn't there problems with the

1291
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:26,280
air and gravity and you know there's a

1292
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,960
lot of these claims out there but hang

1293
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,000
on if they have the technology just to

1294
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:31,680
modify themselves to other environments

1295
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,140
that makes good sense I mean NASA is now

1296
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,280
looking at that they're looking at the

1297
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:37,440
idea of future astronauts being modified

1298
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:39,300
for space environments so this stuff

1299
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:41,099
again it sounds at first wacky but we're

1300
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:42,540
gonna we're not doing that you know

1301
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:44,280
we're going to do that and so in that

1302
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,140
account they say well we can't survive

1303
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,780
you know the air is affecting them the

1304
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:50,880
bacteria is affecting them sunlight's

1305
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:53,220
affecting them so we can't colonize this

1306
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:54,900
planet and this idea originally is that

1307
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:56,099
they you know being handed over the

1308
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:58,140
planet from a more negative group that

1309
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:59,220
they're going to change this to being

1310
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,660
part of very more I suppose we would

1311
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,240
look at it as a more benevolent

1312
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:04,500
civilization and a more malevolent

1313
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:06,180
civilization

1314
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,060
um and so they intend to then instead of

1315
00:48:12,589 --> 00:48:10,800
well I put it as my last substance

1316
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,599
rather than colonizing the planets

1317
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:14,940
colonized the hominins that live here

1318
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:16,680
let me interject something there because

1319
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,300
like this is interesting in the way that

1320
00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:20,940
it relates back to the the ship and the

1321
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:22,940
AI

1322
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:25,980
allowing Consciousness to come forth and

1323
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:27,720
no one talks about this enough because

1324
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:29,640
everyone uh just vapor locks on the

1325
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,220
spiritual thing and um the God thing and

1326
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:34,079
I just had this terrific interview with

1327
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,180
Mary radwell and I came hammering on

1328
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:38,940
this issue does ET have an nde you know

1329
00:48:43,309 --> 00:48:41,220
does ET have a Life review is ET going

1330
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:43,319
through the same kind of re birth

1331
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,160
rebirth learning growing kind of thing

1332
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,160
what you're saying can only really be

1333
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:53,040
interpreted through that lens right so

1334
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:55,560
these people are these these beings

1335
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,160
these intelligences see it as the moral

1336
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,240
imperative to bring about some form

1337
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:05,040
through which Consciousness can continue

1338
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:08,099
to flow and that is not a technical nuts

1339
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:09,540
and bolts thing as we would understand

1340
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:12,420
it it could be but it sure sounds more

1341
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,380
like this kind of spiritual flowering of

1342
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:18,960
God's love kind of thing without going

1343
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,300
too far there so

1344
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,040
do you want to talk about that for a

1345
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:24,960
minute because I think that's that's

1346
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:27,180
right beneath the surface but we don't

1347
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:29,460
often talk about what that means you

1348
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:30,839
talked about with the craft but here

1349
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,339
they are kind of doing the same thing

1350
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:35,040
with their genetic program

1351
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:38,940
yeah I mean look in a way you can almost

1352
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:41,700
sum up these beings as like space

1353
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,180
evangelists right so I mean it's not

1354
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:47,460
just about an expanding Galactic Empire

1355
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:50,220
you know with this cold robots needing

1356
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:52,200
more materials or something like that

1357
00:49:56,809 --> 00:49:54,540
which are kind of familiar means in the

1358
00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:56,819
Sci-Fi kind of world but this is a bit

1359
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:59,579
unfamiliar it's more about a religiosity

1360
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,859
and you know metaphysics and

1361
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:04,079
spirituality that seem to be a part of

1362
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,420
the framework of this Collective of

1363
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,400
intelligence is out there that they have

1364
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:10,440
this interest in the idea of you know

1365
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,380
elevating the cosmos you know so that

1366
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,119
it's more like the way that they think

1367
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:18,060
it should be rather than just that yeah

1368
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:19,140
we're gonna out and we're just going to

1369
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:20,400
colonize these planets there's an

1370
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:21,540
interest they could just colonize any

1371
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:23,339
other empty planet right I mean it's a

1372
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:26,460
big big Galaxy so if it was just about

1373
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,099
to expanding your territories I there's

1374
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:30,960
not any particular focus on coming you

1375
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,180
know in that way right so it's not that

1376
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,040
so they have this whole plan this idea

1377
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,200
that it's important that life on this

1378
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:39,119
planet is heading in a certain direction

1379
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:43,020
towards a certain kind of spiritual uh

1380
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,420
perspective and that you know they want

1381
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:48,480
things to to have the framework here to

1382
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:50,220
be one that allows an elevating of

1383
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,200
Consciousness and allows beings to be

1384
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,720
free and to experience these higher

1385
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:55,920
States it seems to me that's kind of

1386
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,420
their mindset is the beings that

1387
00:51:02,030 --> 00:50:59,819
currently hold the planet at that time

1388
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,040
are very unlike that and believe in

1389
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:04,500
slavery and oppression and using genetic

1390
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,839
Technologies for kind of like Talus and

1391
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:08,940
cold reasons and and that they don't

1392
00:51:12,490 --> 00:51:10,500
agree with that it's kind of ideological

1393
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,500
differences so they are kind of almost

1394
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:15,000
evangelizing to these other groups they

1395
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,619
want them to stop doing that they've

1396
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:19,440
made a negotiation to to hand over the

1397
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,300
planet allow them to bring it back into

1398
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:24,000
the fold of this other mindset

1399
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:25,559
um and then this conflict arises where

1400
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,880
there's kind of a betrayal the ships

1401
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:28,800
destroyed so I mean to me it's it's

1402
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:31,859
almost more like uh warring religious

1403
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,800
systems than it is simply Empires

1404
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,720
building you know through the darkness

1405
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,460
of space and that's kind of an

1406
00:51:42,049 --> 00:51:40,559
unexpected I think aspect for people

1407
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:42,059
they don't like to think about you know

1408
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,800
what is the religious View accused of an

1409
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:45,420
alien race and stuff like that those are

1410
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,579
those are kind of Concepts that you I

1411
00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:49,440
guess you don't have a lot of except for

1412
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,300
a really cerebral science fiction

1413
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:53,280
perhaps where people go down that route

1414
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,500
of you know what do the aliens really

1415
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:57,480
want out of the universe because I mean

1416
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,900
we we don't consider that enough I think

1417
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:02,400
because you know if they have a

1418
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:03,839
perspective and they think it's the best

1419
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:05,220
in the same way that we have religions

1420
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,619
who believe that they have the best way

1421
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,839
of living the best ideas the way you

1422
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:12,240
should do everything right that we we

1423
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,280
don't tend to put that on to aliens you

1424
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:16,800
know but we can't assume that they don't

1425
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:19,140
also have some drives like that because

1426
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,400
those are drives that have made US

1427
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:22,319
expand and do all sorts of things so why

1428
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:23,940
couldn't those expect you know spend our

1429
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,319
Empires as well

1430
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:28,380
true and you're also spinning it very

1431
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,599
appropriately in in One Direction which

1432
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:33,839
is almost like a kind of uh uh Gnostic

1433
00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:37,319
kind of uh way the other is that there's

1434
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:39,300
a moral imperative that they are in line

1435
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,200
with right so there is ultimately a good

1436
00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:45,480
and a bad there is Choice there is free

1437
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:47,900
will but ultimately

1438
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:51,720
ascending to that higher vibration of is

1439
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:54,059
not only preferred because it doesn't

1440
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:56,520
always turn out that way but that is

1441
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,220
like go to the data I would throw on the

1442
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:01,440
table is a near-death experience and

1443
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:03,720
study it however you want and go to the

1444
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,819
best researchers who say okay give it to

1445
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,880
me straight no religiosity no

1446
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:11,040
you know just what is it well ninety

1447
00:53:14,809 --> 00:53:12,420
percent of the people come back and say

1448
00:53:16,609 --> 00:53:14,819
it's about love number one it's not

1449
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:16,619
about a tunnel dead relatives and it is

1450
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:19,800
it's about love which aligns perfectly

1451
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:23,040
with what these folks are saying so it

1452
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,839
that also could be another way to

1453
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,359
understand and this is that the moral

1454
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:29,520
imperative is

1455
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:33,720
love expansion growth self-development

1456
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,780
learning and there is this other aspect

1457
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:39,119
which you know kind of creeps in that is

1458
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:42,960
the control dominate fear a horde kind

1459
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:46,020
of thing and both exist but one is

1460
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:48,780
really the direction you know so

1461
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,579
yeah that's the other way to to

1462
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:53,280
understand this too rather than you know

1463
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,099
the Christians uh you know going and

1464
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,079
fighting the Muslims in the Crusades

1465
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,240
it's like no they're really tuning into

1466
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:02,400
what we all learned when we were five

1467
00:54:05,809 --> 00:54:04,740
years old in kindergarten and that is we

1468
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:05,819
know the difference between right and

1469
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:08,220
wrong and if we do write it doesn't

1470
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,200
always seem like the

1471
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,240
what we want at the time but in the long

1472
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,400
run it's really what we do want which I

1473
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:16,319
think so I'm not saying that has to be

1474
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:19,800
true but I'm saying that is uh to me a

1475
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,500
reasonable overlay on this story as as

1476
00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:25,200
you pointed out

1477
00:54:28,609 --> 00:54:26,819
well yeah I mean and and you're quite

1478
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:28,619
right to touch on say the nde into these

1479
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,900
experiences because look if if all

1480
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:32,880
conscious beings out there you know

1481
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:33,960
wherever they are if we assume that

1482
00:54:38,569 --> 00:54:35,400
there's lots of conscious beings out

1483
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,579
there in this unfathomably huge Universe

1484
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,619
um if they all also experience you know

1485
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:43,440
life you know some sort of manifesting

1486
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:45,240
of birth whatever we call it for them

1487
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:47,220
some kind of period of growth and life

1488
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:48,540
and a period of you know where they are

1489
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:50,520
dying and deaf and that they have looked

1490
00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:52,440
into that same darkness and that that

1491
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:54,059
you know that some of them have come

1492
00:54:58,490 --> 00:54:55,980
back from that which stories you know

1493
00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:58,500
that why wouldn't other civilizations be

1494
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:00,900
in some part Guided by the visions of

1495
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:02,940
Beyond the Veil you know and and death

1496
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,920
and and if they have synchronicity

1497
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:06,480
strange synchronicities that happen on

1498
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:07,980
their world like happen to us here you

1499
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:09,420
know everyone's probably last tale of a

1500
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:11,220
strange synchronicity if those happen to

1501
00:55:14,329 --> 00:55:12,540
those beings in their course of

1502
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:14,339
evolution and development that you know

1503
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,619
why wouldn't they also be have Guided by

1504
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:18,000
these experiences and if they have

1505
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:20,280
intuition and psychic events like humans

1506
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:22,140
have why wouldn't they be guided by

1507
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:25,140
those so to find some commonality Within

1508
00:55:29,569 --> 00:55:27,300
Canadian being might not be so

1509
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:29,579
surprising because if those are

1510
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,460
literally kind of parts of the fabric of

1511
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,559
the universe that you know you will have

1512
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,540
an experience of a death type experience

1513
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,160
you will have some of these strange

1514
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,800
guiding senses of synchronicities and

1515
00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:42,960
strange coincidences and you know

1516
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:45,059
sometimes insights that come from

1517
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:47,099
nowhere if that is really a universal

1518
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:51,420
thing then we would expect some overlaps

1519
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:53,160
with those beings because they would

1520
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,540
have been Guided by some of the same

1521
00:55:58,190 --> 00:55:56,280
stuff that has guided our development

1522
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:58,200
right so even if it was long ago that it

1523
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:59,460
was important it would have guided and

1524
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:01,319
shaped parts of their thinking and that

1525
00:56:06,829 --> 00:56:04,559
their say spirituality uh or religions

1526
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:06,839
or whatever you would expect some of

1527
00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:08,040
that in there

1528
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,200
so I don't think it's so shocking that

1529
00:56:15,049 --> 00:56:12,660
we'd have overlaps and also if they have

1530
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:15,059
as this information suggests had a

1531
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,819
guiding effect on Earth well why

1532
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:19,800
wouldn't we have commonality with them

1533
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:22,140
again because you know then our thinking

1534
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,900
is is alien thinking right because the

1535
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:27,119
aliens help give you your thinking so

1536
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:28,980
when you recognize in them say Well

1537
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,500
they're too similar you know oh why do

1538
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,359
they think stuff that we've well because

1539
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,000
you know they've shaped some of your

1540
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:38,400
thinking at some point and nudged you in

1541
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:40,800
a certain direction so again I think if

1542
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,059
you look at it like that we've been sort

1543
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:45,119
of evangelized cosmic evangelize too and

1544
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:46,319
that's kind of there in the experience

1545
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,880
there's another angle of the research

1546
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:50,160
where I'm I'm looking to delve into the

1547
00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:52,140
sub stack is the idea that you know it's

1548
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:54,119
not just that you can look and see the

1549
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:55,380
bits of the ship

1550
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:58,260
or traces of genetic engineering or this

1551
00:57:01,309 --> 00:57:00,119
Cosmic bombardment that's discussed you

1552
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,319
know multi-direction announcements

1553
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:02,880
probably very big events but also they

1554
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,920
talk about you know teaching us to cook

1555
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,680
right use fire and teaching us about

1556
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:09,599
spirituality and about living together

1557
00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:12,180
and love and stuff so that you're so if

1558
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:13,980
you're giving people the you say the

1559
00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:15,960
look of fire that's kind of traceable

1560
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:17,700
there's people looking at that and we

1561
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:20,220
now know that at the moment the evidence

1562
00:57:24,589 --> 00:57:22,200
suggests the first cooking fires were

1563
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,599
used about 780 000 years ago well that's

1564
00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:26,400
funny timing isn't Alex considering that

1565
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,500
all the other stuff in this story around

1566
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,200
780 000 years ago so it turns out that

1567
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,359
now cooking fires seem to be first used

1568
00:57:37,849 --> 00:57:35,880
around the same time and on top of that

1569
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:37,859
you've got this idea they've shaped Us

1570
00:57:43,130 --> 00:57:41,520
by teaching us well humans are the only

1571
00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:43,140
organism on this planet that is

1572
00:57:47,569 --> 00:57:45,780
considered to be self-domesticated

1573
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:47,579
right well that's funny isn't it it's

1574
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:49,020
funny how we're the only ones that

1575
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:51,180
somehow can self-domesticate no other

1576
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:52,680
animals all the others were domesticated

1577
00:57:58,569 --> 00:57:56,760
by us right so doesn't that suggest that

1578
00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:58,579
maybe just maybe it wasn't

1579
00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:01,020
self-domestication right that that fits

1580
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:02,940
very much with the idea someone was

1581
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:04,859
there at the beginning to teach us and

1582
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:06,900
was teaching us how to be in a certain

1583
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:09,420
way so we can also look at those like

1584
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,180
non-physical aspects of contact how

1585
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:14,400
would contact shape us going forward

1586
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:17,160
right and so that's one of the ways the

1587
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:19,020
fact that we see like copious evidence

1588
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,780
of domestication I think is is really

1589
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:23,760
telling because no one's come up with a

1590
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:26,460
convincing explanation for how any

1591
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,640
organism self-domesticates right if if

1592
00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:31,920
anyone finds it let me know because I

1593
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:33,660
have seen nothing that sounds sensible

1594
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,660
to me there's other examples where I

1595
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:37,920
mean I don't go too of Enchanted you

1596
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,440
know I'm like Asperger's we go off in an

1597
00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:43,440
angle but just very quickly there's um a

1598
00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:45,480
hard barrier in like language or

1599
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:46,920
language is mysterious that's again

1600
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:48,359
that's considered probably the the

1601
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,220
hardest or second hardest problem in

1602
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,619
Consciousness is language like how did

1603
00:58:56,750 --> 00:58:54,660
we develop this language nobody knows

1604
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:56,760
nobody understands that he's taken for

1605
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,980
granted it just oh it just developed so

1606
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,000
you look at what the Consciousness

1607
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,680
studies people are saying well

1608
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,720
we haven't got a clue really how that's

1609
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,520
come about this is amazing that we can

1610
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,680
just be thinking these ideas and then

1611
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:08,880
someone else understands that and they

1612
00:59:13,849 --> 00:59:11,579
get a picture oh yeah that that is way

1613
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:13,859
weirder than we really ever you know

1614
00:59:18,829 --> 00:59:16,260
think into and where did that come from

1615
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:18,839
and then later on we get

1616
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:22,020
um a structure of thinking which allows

1617
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:24,180
you to put time and place you know in

1618
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:25,859
the future into your mind so you kind of

1619
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:27,780
say tomorrow we'll go to the river

1620
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:30,059
together we'll fish and we'll cook the

1621
00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:32,460
fish and then we'll take then we don't

1622
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:34,619
think of that as amazing but as far as

1623
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:36,000
we know no other animals can really do

1624
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:37,799
that that they we can plot and plan

1625
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:40,020
across space and time in real complex

1626
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:42,900
ways turns out that we we don't think we

1627
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,700
could do that until about 70 000 years

1628
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:47,280
ago when there was a weird brain change

1629
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,740
right and they said not even the brain

1630
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:52,319
change but you need to be exposed to the

1631
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:55,020
language system and thinking that allows

1632
00:59:59,089 --> 00:59:57,000
that brain region to switch on and you

1633
01:00:00,650 --> 00:59:59,099
have to be exposed to it by about age

1634
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:00,660
five or six otherwise you're one of

1635
01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,240
these like feral wolf children who never

1636
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:05,640
really recover right that they can't do

1637
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:08,940
that so who did who was there like Alex

1638
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:11,400
who was this teacher that is teaching

1639
01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:12,839
these first children with this weird

1640
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:15,780
Brain Change how to think in those ways

1641
01:00:18,589 --> 01:00:17,400
because nobody else on the planet is

1642
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,599
supposed to have it it's just like a

1643
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,880
spontaneous mutation and you need

1644
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:22,799
someone to guide you with it and yet

1645
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:24,180
somehow okay so there's all these little

1646
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:26,579
well not little there's all these really

1647
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:27,420
big

1648
01:00:33,289 --> 01:00:30,540
glaring anomalies in this story that

1649
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,299
that people skip over because you just

1650
01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:34,799
feel like Well there must be a normal

1651
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:37,020
explanation you know because oh we just

1652
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:38,520
talk and we just think like that you

1653
01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:39,420
know

1654
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:41,220
we're not encouraged to question that

1655
01:00:44,809 --> 01:00:43,079
are we Alex I mean we go for our lives

1656
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,819
and it'd be very easy to go through your

1657
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:47,280
life and never even think how do we talk

1658
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:49,260
where did that come from it's so basic

1659
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:50,940
and no one would even ask you to

1660
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:53,160
question it so I don't know that I think

1661
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:55,079
there's a lot of angles to this story

1662
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:57,660
that um we potentially could end up

1663
01:01:01,849 --> 01:01:00,119
going down because you know if it's

1664
01:01:03,890 --> 01:01:01,859
we've been shaped then we can probably

1665
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,900
find you know reverse engineer who we

1666
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:05,760
are how we think how we speak all this

1667
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:08,040
stuff back to some kind of formative

1668
01:01:13,490 --> 01:01:11,220
events that have set us apart from the

1669
01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:13,500
other animals in the in this way and

1670
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:15,180
there are a lot of them seem to have a

1671
01:01:19,970 --> 01:01:17,339
connection to genetics as well you know

1672
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:19,980
the genetic elements to why we can talk

1673
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,260
why we can do things we can do so it's

1674
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:24,000
not separate from the anomalies in the

1675
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,040
genome you know it seems that the two

1676
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,319
things go together

1677
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,200
um that's fantastic terrific and and

1678
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,839
let's take it the the other direction in

1679
01:01:38,089 --> 01:01:35,760
terms of forward you know because you've

1680
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:38,099
got to mainly look back in a really

1681
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,200
super interesting way that supports what

1682
01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:41,760
you're doing what if we look forward

1683
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:45,000
yeah I I love Dean Raiden even though

1684
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:46,859
he's kind of been my punching bag lately

1685
01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:48,900
Dr Dean Raiden because he started this

1686
01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:51,720
biotech and the purpose of the biotech

1687
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:54,839
is hey maybe we could I've been studying

1688
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:58,500
psychic phenomenon for 30 years I've

1689
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:00,059
we've even gotten to the point of

1690
01:02:07,069 --> 01:02:03,660
looking at genetic correlates wow what

1691
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,079
if we could jab somebody and then they

1692
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,559
became more psychic or as he speculates

1693
01:02:14,809 --> 01:02:12,480
what if they had a mind that was more of

1694
01:02:16,970 --> 01:02:14,819
a hive mind you know instead of blowing

1695
01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:16,980
each other up we're more like the bees

1696
01:02:19,609 --> 01:02:18,599
we're all kind of working together kind

1697
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:19,619
of thing

1698
01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:22,980
and I usually kind of roll this into a

1699
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,540
transhumanism a rant you know which

1700
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,160
but here's the other way and let's spin

1701
01:02:33,710 --> 01:02:30,960
it the other way which is where you're

1702
01:02:35,230 --> 01:02:33,720
going which is okay what if that's

1703
01:02:37,609 --> 01:02:35,240
exactly what's happened

1704
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:37,619
and you know when I just talked to Mary

1705
01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:40,260
Rodwell uh recently who's done

1706
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:42,780
regressions with thousands of people and

1707
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:46,319
I really believe her technique is solid

1708
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:48,420
I think her rigor is really up to par

1709
01:02:54,589 --> 01:02:52,020
and she's uh you know she's worked with

1710
01:02:56,089 --> 01:02:54,599
a lot of other people who have other

1711
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:56,099
diverse ways of doing it they all come

1712
01:03:02,410 --> 01:02:59,520
to the same conclusion so what does that

1713
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:02,420
mean in terms of what might the future

1714
01:03:07,730 --> 01:03:05,700
upgrades to the genetic code mean in

1715
01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:07,740
terms of some of these things that we

1716
01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:09,900
don't normally talk about because again

1717
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:13,260
usually it's anything but those things

1718
01:03:16,990 --> 01:03:15,240
it's like how can we be smarter how can

1719
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,000
we be faster how can we be stronger

1720
01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:19,760
instead of what if it change

1721
01:03:24,650 --> 01:03:22,740
fundamentally the way we related to each

1722
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:24,660
other what if it changed fundamentally

1723
01:03:29,630 --> 01:03:27,480
to the way that we related to

1724
01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:29,640
Spirit whatever that is or these

1725
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:31,319
extended Consciousness Realms I'm going

1726
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,880
to quit saying spirit because I don't

1727
01:03:37,569 --> 01:03:34,799
know what any of that means but people

1728
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:37,579
get the point what do you think on that

1729
01:03:40,849 --> 01:03:39,660
yeah no I mean it's definitely has

1730
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,859
changed on my thinking like because you

1731
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:42,480
know there's a

1732
01:03:47,329 --> 01:03:45,359
I think if you come at these topics from

1733
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,339
what we would tend to think of yeah like

1734
01:03:52,130 --> 01:03:49,440
a spiritual or metaphysical kind of view

1735
01:03:52,990 --> 01:03:52,140
that we most people in that kind of

1736
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:53,000
community

1737
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:56,160
have a fairly strong rejection of

1738
01:04:00,770 --> 01:03:58,740
utilizing say cybernetics and DNA

1739
01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:00,780
changing and then you know that side of

1740
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:03,900
it but then yeah if if we were to find

1741
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,920
that

1742
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:06,960
well there's two things we could find

1743
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:08,460
one thing is we could find that DNA

1744
01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:11,520
itself is a technology it's a biotech

1745
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:14,280
right developed in an advanced lab on

1746
01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:16,440
some distance world and it's used to

1747
01:04:19,069 --> 01:04:18,180
terraform Barren worlds and I thought

1748
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:19,079
about that many times because it's

1749
01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:21,480
perfect for it yeah you spray it down

1750
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,140
fly away and it just unfolds and it

1751
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:26,880
creates a biosphere that will suit that

1752
01:04:33,410 --> 01:04:31,619
world right so if it is biotech then say

1753
01:04:35,329 --> 01:04:33,420
modifying biotech it's not that wild

1754
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:35,339
really you know and then the other side

1755
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:38,460
of that is if okay maybe it's not but if

1756
01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:40,859
we individually as humans if we were

1757
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:42,660
modified as you say we if you've already

1758
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:45,180
been modified there's not really the

1759
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,319
same argument to say you know we're

1760
01:04:50,329 --> 01:04:48,480
corrupting Nature by doing this well

1761
01:04:53,650 --> 01:04:50,339
hang on a minute we've already been

1762
01:04:56,089 --> 01:04:53,660
derailed down that path so if anything

1763
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:56,099
maybe we should be looking at the

1764
01:05:00,170 --> 01:04:58,200
patches for where things weren't done

1765
01:05:01,730 --> 01:05:00,180
right and so that's kind of where I'm a

1766
01:05:04,010 --> 01:05:01,740
bit more at is that I don't necessarily

1767
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:04,020
think we should just go open Pandora's

1768
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,180
box and just create centaurs and stuff

1769
01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:08,400
but at the same time I started thinking

1770
01:05:11,329 --> 01:05:09,780
well hang on I can look and say that

1771
01:05:12,829 --> 01:05:11,339
some of what's been done and this is

1772
01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:12,839
clarified in the story remember they say

1773
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:15,420
that they don't have the right Tech to

1774
01:05:19,370 --> 01:05:17,640
do this properly and that they see some

1775
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:19,380
Horrors that are born you know some of

1776
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:21,000
these first generation it goes horribly

1777
01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:22,559
wrong so again you're just going to make

1778
01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:24,660
up this like sweet story I don't think

1779
01:05:27,770 --> 01:05:26,520
you'd put that in there because they're

1780
01:05:30,049 --> 01:05:27,780
like you know these ones that die they

1781
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:30,059
bought on that completely messed up they

1782
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:32,520
die and that they you know carry on

1783
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,020
experimenting so they're basically doing

1784
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:36,000
it from kind of the first aid kits on

1785
01:05:39,890 --> 01:05:38,700
the on the Escape crafts right so

1786
01:05:41,030 --> 01:05:39,900
although they have this great knowledge

1787
01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:41,040
they don't have everything they would

1788
01:05:46,250 --> 01:05:43,260
have wanted and so if you look at humans

1789
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:46,260
today there are areas in the genome

1790
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:48,660
which do amazing things in terms of our

1791
01:05:53,089 --> 01:05:50,579
brain and like you know all these higher

1792
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:53,099
abilities but they're linked to really

1793
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,780
severe problems particularly like a

1794
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,640
reproductive system and all these things

1795
01:05:59,630 --> 01:05:58,079
that stuff that you wouldn't think would

1796
01:06:01,370 --> 01:05:59,640
be there because Evolution would never

1797
01:06:02,809 --> 01:06:01,380
favor it because it's like horrible

1798
01:06:04,910 --> 01:06:02,819
stuff stuff that's stopping you from

1799
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:04,920
getting like the propensity for

1800
01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:07,440
miscarriages in in human females for

1801
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:09,540
example right you don't see any other

1802
01:06:13,789 --> 01:06:11,700
primates you don't see this scale of

1803
01:06:15,650 --> 01:06:13,799
problems elaborate on that a little bit

1804
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:15,660
Bruce because it's a point that once you

1805
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:17,460
bring it up once you make it clear

1806
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,920
people go that is strange

1807
01:06:24,410 --> 01:06:21,839
right yeah because if you look at if you

1808
01:06:26,089 --> 01:06:24,420
compare humans to the other primates not

1809
01:06:28,609 --> 01:06:26,099
only do we have an extraordinary

1810
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:28,619
difficult and painful birth compared to

1811
01:06:33,950 --> 01:06:31,680
them but we have massive problems in

1812
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:33,960
actually getting pregnant first of all

1813
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,960
uh also a hidden ovulation as well which

1814
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,400
is kind of weird

1815
01:06:43,069 --> 01:06:40,559
um and then on top of that the rate of

1816
01:06:44,930 --> 01:06:43,079
spontaneous abortion very early on

1817
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:44,940
particularly frankly is enormous

1818
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:46,980
compared to any other primates and then

1819
01:06:50,569 --> 01:06:48,780
the number of genetic errors and stuff

1820
01:06:52,010 --> 01:06:50,579
that can happen and the you know the

1821
01:06:54,770 --> 01:06:52,020
different problems that you see in the

1822
01:06:57,650 --> 01:06:54,780
in the maturation of infants and in the

1823
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,660
birth process again all of that is

1824
01:07:01,549 --> 01:07:00,000
wildly different and you have millions

1825
01:07:03,289 --> 01:07:01,559
of women who've been through the loss of

1826
01:07:04,490 --> 01:07:03,299
say you know of a chart early on you

1827
01:07:06,770 --> 01:07:04,500
know particularly in pregnancy and

1828
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,780
feeling like what did I do wrong God why

1829
01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:08,640
did it happen to me you know if you

1830
01:07:12,589 --> 01:07:10,440
start to look at these anomalies do you

1831
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,599
realize that oh no no it's a wonder that

1832
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:14,640
we can have children it's a wonder that

1833
01:07:19,809 --> 01:07:16,920
any of them are making it and these

1834
01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:19,819
genetic errors they can't self-correct

1835
01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:23,700
by selection because they're linked to

1836
01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:25,980
generate it changes they're giving us

1837
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,020
all of these other abilities so you can

1838
01:07:32,690 --> 01:07:29,760
see this it's froze they're frozen in

1839
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:32,700
nature can't fix it so if nature can't

1840
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:35,220
fix it what does that leave that only

1841
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:36,240
leaves

1842
01:07:41,210 --> 01:07:39,000
us you know unnatural forces if you want

1843
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:41,220
new technologies to then look and say

1844
01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:43,980
well that was done with tech somebody

1845
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:47,400
has has done that badly can we one day

1846
01:07:51,770 --> 01:07:50,520
learn how to fix that so that you know

1847
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:51,780
we're not trying to change you into us

1848
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,299
into a cyborg or or you know any of that

1849
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:56,640
really far out stuff but I definitely

1850
01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:58,140
support the idea that we can now look

1851
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,539
and say some of these things that gave

1852
01:08:05,890 --> 01:08:02,880
us the big brain are doing some horrible

1853
01:08:09,250 --> 01:08:05,900
stuff to children and things right

1854
01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:09,260
ethically I fully support

1855
01:08:14,029 --> 01:08:12,599
fixing those problems because I can I

1856
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:14,039
believe that they have been done by

1857
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:17,940
biotech so biotech to fix them feels

1858
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:21,120
appropriate so that's my my changed view

1859
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:23,100
on using you know DNA modification

1860
01:08:27,769 --> 01:08:25,080
Technologies is that where we find

1861
01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:27,779
evidence that this is fixed in problems

1862
01:08:33,169 --> 01:08:31,080
caused by somebody that surely we as a

1863
01:08:34,669 --> 01:08:33,179
species have a right to try to fix those

1864
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:34,679
problems especially if they're not

1865
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:36,420
coming back to do it or whatever so

1866
01:08:39,289 --> 01:08:37,980
there are other errors like that there's

1867
01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:39,299
a book actually very quickly before we

1868
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:41,339
got off that topic there's a book called

1869
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,140
human errors

1870
01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:44,880
um which is it was kind of written as a

1871
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:46,739
response to creationism and the idea

1872
01:08:50,269 --> 01:08:48,239
that we are made by a perfect God

1873
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:50,279
because he points out a lot of these

1874
01:08:54,590 --> 01:08:51,960
problems and if you read it from the

1875
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,600
perspective of an intervention you start

1876
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,400
doing it some of these problems like I

1877
01:09:01,309 --> 01:08:58,799
say they make no sense in terms of

1878
01:09:03,950 --> 01:09:01,319
natural selection that why why would

1879
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:03,960
they have ever Arisen you know they're

1880
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:06,960
so unbeneficial to the organism that

1881
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,520
they should have been swept away at the

1882
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:09,839
beginning in the first year generation

1883
01:09:14,329 --> 01:09:12,060
but it's that association with other

1884
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:14,339
things that we have the odd things like

1885
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,620
our complex brain that that you know

1886
01:09:20,809 --> 01:09:18,960
again yeah it really you start to

1887
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,819
realize that yeah there's there's some

1888
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,040
real strange stuff there not just in an

1889
01:09:27,709 --> 01:09:25,920
upgrade conversely it's in our problems

1890
01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:27,719
where you see some of the strangest

1891
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,699
stuff that differentiates us from other

1892
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:31,920
primates and in many cases all mammals

1893
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,859
right so you've got to say well that's

1894
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,480
our dessert it's odd that we've got all

1895
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:38,400
these problems that no other organism on

1896
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:40,380
the planet ended up with

1897
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:43,980
so Bruce what based on your research and

1898
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:46,560
again you are kind of reading and

1899
01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:49,140
pulling in stuff so broadly

1900
01:09:53,809 --> 01:09:51,660
what is your best guess your hunch in

1901
01:09:56,570 --> 01:09:53,819
terms of where this is going I'd love to

1902
01:09:59,450 --> 01:09:56,580
think like you're saying that ethical

1903
01:10:02,150 --> 01:09:59,460
standards and reason and caution would

1904
01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:02,160
be applied but we know it best it's

1905
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,620
going to be a mixed case based on The

1906
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:07,199
Cutting Edge you see right now where do

1907
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:08,400
you think it's going in the next five

1908
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:10,679
ten years in terms of the direct

1909
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:14,280
extension of exogenesis hybrid humans

1910
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:16,260
where we already see that it's happened

1911
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:17,880
and now we're reaching that level of

1912
01:10:21,290 --> 01:10:19,560
Technology at least with the first aid

1913
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:21,300
kit we probably already have the first

1914
01:10:27,649 --> 01:10:24,300
aid kit where do you see it going

1915
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:27,659
yeah I think in terms of um the genetics

1916
01:10:33,530 --> 01:10:30,239
because we live in a imperfect world and

1917
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:33,540
we live in uh I'd say a time which is

1918
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:35,820
you know quite volatile you know it's

1919
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,280
got all sorts of powerful interests that

1920
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,560
are shaping Society in negative ways

1921
01:10:44,830 --> 01:10:42,480
there is pushback more than ever on that

1922
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:44,840
so a lot of it's going to come down to

1923
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:47,940
what's the prevailing shaping force in

1924
01:10:51,530 --> 01:10:49,980
our world because you know if it ends up

1925
01:10:54,110 --> 01:10:51,540
that we have you know a fairly

1926
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:54,120
benevolent structure emerges did we say

1927
01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:55,440
enough's enough

1928
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:57,300
sick of having

1929
01:11:00,890 --> 01:10:58,560
um these kind of you know offshore

1930
01:11:03,470 --> 01:11:00,900
Banker billionaire types meddling and

1931
01:11:05,450 --> 01:11:03,480
paying for Banker Wars and you know and

1932
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:05,460
shaping Society to be this weird

1933
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,260
technocracy of you know genetic

1934
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,420
engineered human 2.0 with his

1935
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,760
cybernetics and you know if it really

1936
01:11:16,490 --> 01:11:13,920
goes that way then yeah all Horrors

1937
01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:16,500
Pandora's Box will be opened and it's

1938
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,560
just a flow of horror would come out of

1939
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:21,360
there you know using everything from

1940
01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:23,460
nanotech to the different kinds of

1941
01:11:29,149 --> 01:11:26,040
Biotech to you know gene splicing stuff

1942
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,159
and I just in that model then I just see

1943
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:32,159
his careering towards destruction and

1944
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:34,020
there's so many ways we can do that now

1945
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:36,120
you know I say with nanotech biotech

1946
01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:38,100
nuclear you know there's plenty of ways

1947
01:11:41,810 --> 01:11:40,739
now we're at that point where we there's

1948
01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:41,820
something someone said and it's almost

1949
01:11:44,930 --> 01:11:43,020
as though we don't want to commit

1950
01:11:47,630 --> 01:11:44,940
suicide we want to make sure it works so

1951
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:47,640
we've developed like a dozen ways to to

1952
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,860
kill ourselves now so that we just put

1953
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:51,360
them all out at once I think you know

1954
01:11:54,169 --> 01:11:52,800
it's like that doesn't get me so that we

1955
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:54,179
all know that we're all that you know so

1956
01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:55,380
we're at that custom bed we really

1957
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:58,140
really go that way it's hard to see how

1958
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:00,600
we survive as a species I mean before

1959
01:12:06,110 --> 01:12:04,080
also said 2045 all men will be

1960
01:12:07,850 --> 01:12:06,120
functionally sterile as it stands that's

1961
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:07,860
the projection by the leading experts is

1962
01:12:11,169 --> 01:12:09,540
that all the Plastics toxins and

1963
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:11,179
everything that we're heading towards

1964
01:12:16,490 --> 01:12:13,980
cataclysmic events even just on that

1965
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:16,500
alone right just on our sterility you

1966
01:12:19,790 --> 01:12:18,060
know let alone forget all the others so

1967
01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:19,800
we have so many of these problems if we

1968
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:22,500
carry on down that path Extinction is

1969
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:24,360
just it's beckoning it's just very

1970
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,280
clearly so on the other side of it

1971
01:12:32,330 --> 01:12:29,520
though if we do manage to change that

1972
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:32,340
control structure and we throw off the

1973
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:33,840
kind of really negative selfish

1974
01:12:38,209 --> 01:12:36,360
influences of a small click if I'd say

1975
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:38,219
probably about a couple of thousand

1976
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:39,420
people if you look at it the the

1977
01:12:43,729 --> 01:12:41,699
billionaire and 100 millionaire kind of

1978
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,739
class that within that I'm not saying

1979
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:46,320
they say all bad guys right but within

1980
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:47,940
that sort of 2000 odd people with that

1981
01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:49,560
immense wealth

1982
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:52,620
that they they if that was to shift to a

1983
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:54,719
more benevolent system you know if that

1984
01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:56,760
even amongst them if that prevailed you

1985
01:13:00,770 --> 01:12:58,260
know I'm sure there's some kind of

1986
01:13:02,510 --> 01:13:00,780
differences of opinions right so if we

1987
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,520
move towards a structure where we are

1988
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,320
benevolent and we want to use these

1989
01:13:09,250 --> 01:13:06,719
Technologies genuinely for the good not

1990
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:09,260
just to create some kind of I don't know

1991
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:12,300
hellscape then I could see us actually

1992
01:13:17,630 --> 01:13:15,000
you know yeah fixing genetic errors

1993
01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:17,640
using nanotech to provide materials for

1994
01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:19,980
the third world and you know new new

1995
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:21,900
energy systems for the world so I know

1996
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,980
it's that thing it's really hard to call

1997
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:24,719
because I'd say right now we're on that

1998
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:26,580
you know right on that edge you know the

1999
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:29,840
precipice where it either becomes

2000
01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:32,159
amazing you know that the Space Age

2001
01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:34,500
future but not in there where we'll

2002
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:36,120
become a robot but space-age kind of

2003
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,140
future where

2004
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:39,120
it unfolds that we all sort of share on

2005
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:40,500
a greater journey I guess got that

2006
01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:42,420
looking inwards and outwards exploring

2007
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:45,420
space and Inner Space together forever

2008
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,199
um or yeah it's just so awful that I

2009
01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:51,360
think we will be glad to go extinct you

2010
01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:52,920
know that almost like that where you you

2011
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,080
wouldn't want to live in that world that

2012
01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:57,120
those interests are shaping because it

2013
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:59,640
would be so so awful you know that I

2014
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,540
don't know that's that's kind of where

2015
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,159
I'm at I think though that you know I

2016
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:03,840
have to be positive on it I say I think

2017
01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:06,780
we will you know just scrape through by

2018
01:14:10,729 --> 01:14:08,760
the seat of our pants

2019
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:10,739
um realizing how bad it can get you know

2020
01:14:15,470 --> 01:14:12,840
that it's taking us getting right to the

2021
01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:15,480
wire of starting to realize that that

2022
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:16,920
there are interests who would happily

2023
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:18,900
drag us into a nuclear war for example

2024
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:21,000
right that they would have no qualms if

2025
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:22,260
that they felt was in their best

2026
01:14:28,669 --> 01:14:25,440
interest would have no qualms seeing

2027
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:28,679
most of the world radiated right uh or

2028
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:30,960
putting out a virus and just wiping out

2029
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,940
a particular group or something but you

2030
01:14:37,130 --> 01:14:34,560
know those are the kind of mindsets that

2031
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:37,140
you're dealing with so I think that

2032
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:39,900
starting to see that very much on the

2033
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:42,420
global stage more people are realizing

2034
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,980
that this isn't something where you can

2035
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,600
just be like look down and I'm just

2036
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,280
going on with my life you know I don't

2037
01:14:51,290 --> 01:14:49,920
you know I let these other interests we

2038
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:51,300
can't anymore I think we've realized

2039
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:53,400
that now they're wielding such dangerous

2040
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:55,380
you know Powers

2041
01:15:01,130 --> 01:14:58,560
um that everyone is going to have to you

2042
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,140
know wake up help put their feet on the

2043
01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:03,600
brake and say that you know this is not

2044
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,780
the direction for Humanity and this kind

2045
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:08,159
of information that we're getting out of

2046
01:15:11,209 --> 01:15:09,600
outer ringer and other I think other

2047
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:11,219
things that are happening you know I

2048
01:15:16,729 --> 01:15:15,000
think are part of the braking system of

2049
01:15:18,169 --> 01:15:16,739
our culture

2050
01:15:19,370 --> 01:15:18,179
um not this alone I'm sure there's a lot

2051
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:19,380
of other interesting projects things

2052
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:20,940
happening but I do think that you know

2053
01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:22,860
these projects are emerging at this time

2054
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:26,520
to make us re-evaluate our place in time

2055
01:15:31,550 --> 01:15:29,699
space Consciousness you know who we are

2056
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:31,560
where we're going is there a point to

2057
01:15:35,209 --> 01:15:33,540
life you know did someone else out there

2058
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:35,219
with intelligence have a point for us

2059
01:15:39,169 --> 01:15:36,840
for example you know that they actually

2060
01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:39,179
had you know some idea of where we might

2061
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,159
want to go and have left us some kind of

2062
01:15:45,530 --> 01:15:43,199
clues about what can help a civilization

2063
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:45,540
survive for hundreds of thousands of

2064
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:46,860
years you know if they've managed it

2065
01:15:51,890 --> 01:15:49,260
then it's manageable for a start it

2066
01:15:53,630 --> 01:15:51,900
should give us a glimmer of hope

2067
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,640
um because it's in the city field you

2068
01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:54,719
know you know this there's often that

2069
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:55,980
question well where is everybody if

2070
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:57,900
everybody's extinct and they've all died

2071
01:16:01,610 --> 01:16:00,239
out then what hope is there for us well

2072
01:16:03,649 --> 01:16:01,620
if it turns out there are many

2073
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,659
civilizations that have become

2074
01:16:06,890 --> 01:16:05,280
technological but then have survived on

2075
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:06,900
but hundreds of thousands of years well

2076
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,100
then they have found their way through

2077
01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:10,320
the great filter and so if they can then

2078
01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:11,820
so can we so I think a lot of these

2079
01:16:16,850 --> 01:16:13,860
things are kind of hopeful in themselves

2080
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:16,860
that multiple civilizers did this oh

2081
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,540
maybe that we can do this you know even

2082
01:16:22,130 --> 01:16:20,640
if we have to ask them for a couple of

2083
01:16:23,570 --> 01:16:22,140
tips here and there

2084
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,580
um which you know we can be humble

2085
01:16:27,169 --> 01:16:24,960
enough to do that whether those are

2086
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,179
aliens or Spirit beings or ancestors

2087
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:29,040
whatever works for us that maybe we do

2088
01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:30,420
something that need to reach out to

2089
01:16:35,450 --> 01:16:33,420
those metaphysical Realms and say

2090
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,460
got any clues you know any help there

2091
01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:37,679
and in some cases I think it can be

2092
01:16:41,689 --> 01:16:40,380
helpful this is one of those cases

2093
01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:41,699
um I see history is full of them though

2094
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:44,040
all the tribes and people would say that

2095
01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:45,360
they were guided that they asked the

2096
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,860
spirits for help the spirits told them

2097
01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:48,719
where the Buffalo were or the water was

2098
01:16:52,010 --> 01:16:50,460
and you know that so it's not

2099
01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:52,020
necessarily just about aliens coming and

2100
01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:54,360
you know Cosmic daddy cleaning up our

2101
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:56,100
mess I don't I don't think that's a

2102
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,360
solution either I think that you know

2103
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:59,040
but asking for little tips here and

2104
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:00,480
there from those Realms and from our

2105
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:03,420
intuition yes looking for a cosmic

2106
01:17:07,010 --> 01:17:05,400
savior no

2107
01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:07,020
um I don't think that's a good idea or

2108
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:08,820
being dependent on some other

2109
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,800
intelligence because you know if they

2110
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:12,000
give us all their Technologies or

2111
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:13,440
something like that then you are just a

2112
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:15,960
subsidiary right because you know you no

2113
01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:17,699
longer in control of your destiny so I I

2114
01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:18,900
think we should be careful as well at

2115
01:17:21,530 --> 01:17:20,460
the idea that you know aliens will come

2116
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:21,540
and they'll give us Zero Point

2117
01:17:26,090 --> 01:17:24,000
Technologies well they'll be maintaining

2118
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:26,100
them and you know we don't know how

2119
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:27,840
you'll be totally dependent you're just

2120
01:17:32,330 --> 01:17:29,940
a subsidiary so I also think we have to

2121
01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:32,340
be a bit wary on going down that road of

2122
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:34,199
the alien savior

2123
01:17:39,890 --> 01:17:36,600
uh yeah it's interesting and I think

2124
01:17:42,649 --> 01:17:39,900
that's a natural segue into this third

2125
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:42,659
category topic that is Central to your

2126
01:17:47,689 --> 01:17:45,480
thesis as spelled out in exogenesis and

2127
01:17:49,729 --> 01:17:47,699
that's the bombardment and I would

2128
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,739
relate it back to something you said

2129
01:17:52,669 --> 01:17:51,600
that I would kind of I think take issue

2130
01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:52,679
with a little bit

2131
01:17:56,990 --> 01:17:55,020
I I think we should resist this idea of

2132
01:17:58,729 --> 01:17:57,000
looking towards we always want to say

2133
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:58,739
the billionaires or the elite or

2134
01:18:02,810 --> 01:18:00,840
something like that I think what the

2135
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:02,820
story tells us is that it's a more

2136
01:18:08,030 --> 01:18:06,060
fundamentally spiritual kind of issue

2137
01:18:09,649 --> 01:18:08,040
and I think we see that playing out more

2138
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,659
and more people see it you know the

2139
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:12,000
United States Super Bowl is a huge event

2140
01:18:15,709 --> 01:18:13,679
around the world and billions of people

2141
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:15,719
watch it and it's for the last several

2142
01:18:18,890 --> 01:18:17,520
years it's been completely satanic and

2143
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:18,900
it was again this year and it's just

2144
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:20,820
overtly satanic and if you sit around

2145
01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:22,679
with a bunch of people like I did who

2146
01:18:29,390 --> 01:18:25,500
are not red pilled there's this kind of

2147
01:18:30,830 --> 01:18:29,400
quiet kind of like they're stunned into

2148
01:18:34,250 --> 01:18:30,840
silence like

2149
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:34,260
what the hell did I just say that is so

2150
01:18:39,890 --> 01:18:37,679
incredibly overtly satanic and I think

2151
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,900
that's what's at at play here that's how

2152
01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:42,480
it's playing out and what's interesting

2153
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:44,300
to me about

2154
01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:47,340
exogenesis and what you've again pulled

2155
01:18:53,709 --> 01:18:51,060
from Valerie burrow but then taken to

2156
01:18:57,169 --> 01:18:53,719
this next level in terms of

2157
01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:57,179
falsification and scientific validation

2158
01:19:03,229 --> 01:18:58,920
of it is

2159
01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:03,239
there are other agendas which if we were

2160
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:05,340
going to characterize them on this moral

2161
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:09,679
scale we would say our dark uh harmful

2162
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:13,260
malevolent agendas so

2163
01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:15,300
what do you where do you where do you

2164
01:19:20,990 --> 01:19:18,540
see that going in the future in terms of

2165
01:19:22,610 --> 01:19:21,000
uh your work and new information that

2166
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:22,620
you can pull in that would help us

2167
01:19:27,229 --> 01:19:25,800
better understand how we reach that

2168
01:19:29,930 --> 01:19:27,239
point too because that's a very scary

2169
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:29,940
point in this story and you talk about

2170
01:19:35,930 --> 01:19:33,360
this the one thing that never really

2171
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,940
kind of totally adds up there is you

2172
01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:38,159
talk about sliding through that by the

2173
01:19:43,310 --> 01:19:41,100
skin of the pants it's like no they

2174
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,320
almost destroyed the planet you know so

2175
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,080
it's like that's not that's not

2176
01:19:51,649 --> 01:19:48,960
generally how I would see uh policing

2177
01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:51,659
done or you know the United Nations

2178
01:19:56,510 --> 01:19:54,600
Galactic United Nations thing to well

2179
01:19:57,709 --> 01:19:56,520
hey it might destroy the planet it might

2180
01:19:59,870 --> 01:19:57,719
not it's like when they blow off the

2181
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,880
nuclear bomb hey might totally burn up

2182
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:02,640
the atmosphere let's see what do you

2183
01:20:06,350 --> 01:20:03,480
think

2184
01:20:08,209 --> 01:20:06,360
couple of things I mean obviously in the

2185
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:08,219
book when she talks about this other

2186
01:20:12,530 --> 01:20:10,380
group that you know they they

2187
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:12,540
essentially consider themselves here

2188
01:20:18,110 --> 01:20:15,840
like a cosmic police force but they also

2189
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:18,120
um it's explained really that they can

2190
01:20:20,930 --> 01:20:19,620
see themselves as being almost like

2191
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:20,940
perfect do they want you know we know

2192
01:20:25,250 --> 01:20:22,920
best we do what we want to do

2193
01:20:27,290 --> 01:20:25,260
um you know and we can we can destroy a

2194
01:20:29,870 --> 01:20:27,300
planet we can throw a planetary down at

2195
01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:29,880
it and just crack it in bits and so so

2196
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:31,860
in a way they are what we would probably

2197
01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:33,900
think of in terms of D and D type stuff

2198
01:20:37,790 --> 01:20:35,699
you know chaotic neutral or something

2199
01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:37,800
you know because because although that

2200
01:20:43,070 --> 01:20:40,199
group is considered itself more aligned

2201
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:43,080
with this peaceful you know Alliance

2202
01:20:47,390 --> 01:20:45,480
like they obviously don't have the same

2203
01:20:49,850 --> 01:20:47,400
mindset you know they're not against the

2204
01:20:52,729 --> 01:20:49,860
idea that when they encounter this other

2205
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:52,739
you know malevolent Force to use you

2206
01:20:57,649 --> 01:20:54,659
know what we would consider you know

2207
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:57,659
like absolutely horrendous uh levels of

2208
01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:00,960
you know uh Warfare which you know maybe

2209
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,760
to go and Destroy some of the opponent's

2210
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:04,320
planets and just wipe them out or

2211
01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:06,420
something you know so that definitely is

2212
01:21:09,709 --> 01:21:08,040
more in the Realms of chaotic neutral

2213
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,719
than you know the the good guy

2214
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,000
benevolent kind of field that we

2215
01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:13,920
normally have with stories of say like

2216
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,580
you know pleadians and beings from

2217
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:19,199
um you know all these various stars that

2218
01:21:21,770 --> 01:21:20,640
come up in these stories you know we get

2219
01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:21,780
all these stories and they're all good

2220
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,580
guys basically like you know Cosmic

2221
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:26,159
Angels or something right so you know

2222
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:28,980
these others that turn up to enforce

2223
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,140
this agreement they definitely don't

2224
01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:32,880
sound like that and they're quite

2225
01:21:36,169 --> 01:21:34,620
willing to do this

2226
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,179
um so that I find is quite interesting

2227
01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:38,159
the way that you know it shows a more

2228
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:40,739
complex story of alignments that you

2229
01:21:44,990 --> 01:21:43,199
know that yeah that one lot would come

2230
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:45,000
along kind of peacefully not even on

2231
01:21:49,010 --> 01:21:46,620
their ship and the other lot would

2232
01:21:51,050 --> 01:21:49,020
consider cracking the planet in half if

2233
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:51,060
they have to you know so

2234
01:21:55,490 --> 01:21:52,980
um that's kind of yeah it kind of makes

2235
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:55,500
you think you know and also you should

2236
01:21:58,010 --> 01:21:56,699
give some concern you know they say you

2237
01:22:00,410 --> 01:21:58,020
know if these beings are still out there

2238
01:22:02,990 --> 01:22:00,420
and if you know for some reason it got

2239
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:03,000
to a point where a group like that

2240
01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:05,400
just thought enough's enough you know

2241
01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:09,000
bring down the comment you know I mean

2242
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:11,820
obviously that should give some pause

2243
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,620
for thought that you know there may not

2244
01:22:16,669 --> 01:22:15,360
be an absolute

2245
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,679
um tolerance level

2246
01:22:21,229 --> 01:22:18,719
for behaviors on our planet and

2247
01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:21,239
particularly if we are heading towards

2248
01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:24,659
alignment with the opposing Force you

2249
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:26,340
know that there might be a group that

2250
01:22:28,669 --> 01:22:27,420
would stand back and say you've got to

2251
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:28,679
give them Free Will and the other one

2252
01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:30,780
says no we've just got to blow the

2253
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:34,020
planet up right so that I think is a

2254
01:22:37,010 --> 01:22:35,219
hard one for people to probably get

2255
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:37,020
their head round as well that that you

2256
01:22:40,729 --> 01:22:38,580
know it's not as clear-cut as just the

2257
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,739
good and bad and you know good holds off

2258
01:22:44,030 --> 01:22:42,480
and lets you have free will and bad it's

2259
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:44,040
attacking you that you know that there's

2260
01:22:47,149 --> 01:22:45,780
other influences that may think that

2261
01:22:50,270 --> 01:22:47,159
they're being very good but we would see

2262
01:22:52,810 --> 01:22:50,280
that as you know extraordinarily violent

2263
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,820
aggressive kind of enforcement behavior

2264
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,960
and on top of that I mean look you know

2265
01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:56,159
if we

2266
01:23:02,270 --> 01:23:00,179
can't prove this part but there's this

2267
01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:02,280
other group you know so there's probably

2268
01:23:06,290 --> 01:23:04,500
as being this kind of reptilian humanoid

2269
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,300
group and let's go with reptilians that

2270
01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:08,159
puts people off straight away it's a

2271
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,020
knee-jerk one because we've everyone's

2272
01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:12,719
been 12 years and years is the craziest

2273
01:23:17,149 --> 01:23:14,699
conspiracy theory out there you know

2274
01:23:19,370 --> 01:23:17,159
reptilians live on the earth or that are

2275
01:23:21,649 --> 01:23:19,380
infiltrating our governments and you

2276
01:23:23,390 --> 01:23:21,659
know that is it it's kind of funny it's

2277
01:23:25,729 --> 01:23:23,400
kind of pushed us the most crazy and yet

2278
01:23:28,669 --> 01:23:25,739
in many ways they would be the most

2279
01:23:31,130 --> 01:23:28,679
reasonable sounding aliens because we

2280
01:23:33,169 --> 01:23:31,140
know this planet had saurians you know

2281
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,179
they had dinosaurs and stuff if any

2282
01:23:38,030 --> 01:23:35,280
other kind of intelligent humanoid

2283
01:23:39,649 --> 01:23:38,040
evolved here it's very reasonable to

2284
01:23:41,209 --> 01:23:39,659
think of it being a reptilian humanoid

2285
01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:41,219
so I always think that's kind of an

2286
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,140
ironic thing of the you know the the

2287
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:45,120
form that should be the most believable

2288
01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:49,800
is the most rejected and laughed at you

2289
01:23:51,649 --> 01:23:50,640
know and there's even been you know

2290
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:51,659
activities you've written about you know

2291
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:53,400
the silurian hypothesis the idea there

2292
01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:54,960
may have been an advanced civilization

2293
01:23:58,850 --> 01:23:56,940
in those times and you know going back

2294
01:23:59,930 --> 01:23:58,860
millions of years ago and that we just

2295
01:24:01,729 --> 01:23:59,940
don't see it in the record because it's

2296
01:24:04,729 --> 01:24:01,739
so long ago but that we could have had

2297
01:24:06,530 --> 01:24:04,739
uh you know dinosauroid people that flew

2298
01:24:08,450 --> 01:24:06,540
to the moon so these these aren't

2299
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:08,460
actually as crazy as people are told

2300
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:10,500
right and then on top of that if they

2301
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:14,040
have remained here hidden or in a base

2302
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:17,040
on the moon or whatever and do continue

2303
01:24:21,169 --> 01:24:19,080
to influence us and that's kind of

2304
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:21,179
insinuated in in the materials that

2305
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:23,040
they're not all gone although there's

2306
01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:25,260
this bombardment that there's some of

2307
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:27,719
them remain and if that is the case and

2308
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,640
obviously there's mythology around the

2309
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:31,199
world from all sorts of cultures telling

2310
01:24:34,430 --> 01:24:32,880
us that there are these reptilians and

2311
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,440
Christians would talk about demons as

2312
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,480
being reptilian looking you know again

2313
01:24:39,709 --> 01:24:37,920
it's a familiar framework so it's kind

2314
01:24:42,530 --> 01:24:39,719
of funny that we have that dichotomy of

2315
01:24:44,810 --> 01:24:42,540
rejection because they're everywhere in

2316
01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:44,820
our law and in our mythology and then

2317
01:24:49,490 --> 01:24:46,980
you know if they are influencing our

2318
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:49,500
systems perhaps you know government

2319
01:24:55,610 --> 01:24:52,739
whatever militaries you know if we were

2320
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,620
to choose alignment with them what is

2321
01:24:59,689 --> 01:24:57,360
the consequences of that so if you say

2322
01:25:02,810 --> 01:24:59,699
that we have these openly satanic

2323
01:25:04,370 --> 01:25:02,820
looking practices and a culture that in

2324
01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:04,380
many ways seems to get pushed towards

2325
01:25:07,610 --> 01:25:06,360
that through our mainstream media you

2326
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:07,620
know that you're being shaped to a

2327
01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:11,340
certain mindset so if if that is

2328
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:13,860
legitimately part of the story it is

2329
01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:16,620
there a point where you are considered

2330
01:25:21,169 --> 01:25:19,260
to be so like them as that it's time to

2331
01:25:23,050 --> 01:25:21,179
bring down the comment and and again

2332
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:23,060
that's that's another

2333
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:25,080
conundrum I think that we have to face

2334
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:26,400
is that if it's kind of like a great

2335
01:25:30,590 --> 01:25:28,620
choice and that is rather than a war in

2336
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:30,600
the way that we think of it it being

2337
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:31,920
that you know you're given the choice

2338
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:34,080
and that there's other intelligences

2339
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,640
that are standing back and kind of

2340
01:25:38,810 --> 01:25:37,679
manipling a bit but watching you know so

2341
01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:38,820
which way are you going to go you're

2342
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,500
going to go into alignment with this you

2343
01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:43,199
know higher kind of benevolent group or

2344
01:25:46,250 --> 01:25:45,060
this more malevolent group and the in

2345
01:25:48,850 --> 01:25:46,260
the middle of these other ones just

2346
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:48,860
waiting with the comment just you know

2347
01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:52,080
it catches up quite the uh quite the

2348
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,420
different vision of these kind of cosmic

2349
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:56,159
stories you know then we're usually

2350
01:26:01,129 --> 01:25:59,040
being projected from whether from sci-fi

2351
01:26:02,990 --> 01:26:01,139
or whether from contact cases you know I

2352
01:26:05,330 --> 01:26:03,000
think it's very different

2353
01:26:06,770 --> 01:26:05,340
um and more believable again I think

2354
01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:06,780
it's more because it's the nuance and

2355
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:08,820
complexity of this kind of backstory

2356
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:11,280
that sounds more like real living beings

2357
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:12,960
and the kind of things that they might

2358
01:26:18,169 --> 01:26:15,600
be pondering instead of you know I guess

2359
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,179
poorly painted caricatures of human

2360
01:26:22,729 --> 01:26:20,400
aliens you know which often we find in

2361
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:22,739
science fiction uh so it's not as simple

2362
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:25,380
as stories not a simple story also I

2363
01:26:27,709 --> 01:26:26,639
think the other thing I was just quickly

2364
01:26:30,590 --> 01:26:27,719
touching that as well is that we're told

2365
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:30,600
that these other beings these reptilians

2366
01:26:34,729 --> 01:26:32,340
that they have a kind of a religious

2367
01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:34,739
system and that they believe in another

2368
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,300
lot of beings these sort of

2369
01:26:39,890 --> 01:26:38,639
inter-dimensional Draco beings who

2370
01:26:41,330 --> 01:26:39,900
they're kind of scared of and that

2371
01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:41,340
they've had in the past give offerings

2372
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:44,820
to and feed beings to because those feed

2373
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:46,980
on some kind of energy or Consciousness

2374
01:26:51,530 --> 01:26:49,440
and they just sound like an absolute

2375
01:26:54,169 --> 01:26:51,540
nightmare you know a total nightmare the

2376
01:26:56,570 --> 01:26:54,179
most horrendous horrendous conceivable

2377
01:26:58,910 --> 01:26:56,580
entities imaginable right because they

2378
01:27:01,550 --> 01:26:58,920
literally feed on Consciousness somehow

2379
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,560
I mean that if those are real I mean

2380
01:27:05,090 --> 01:27:03,600
those would be the archetype of the

2381
01:27:07,729 --> 01:27:05,100
devil right this idea that there's some

2382
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:07,739
being that takes and feeds on Souls

2383
01:27:15,070 --> 01:27:09,900
right that needs all these souls and

2384
01:27:17,870 --> 01:27:15,080
that's kind of again just a really

2385
01:27:19,610 --> 01:27:17,880
I find that one really um you know the

2386
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:19,620
most horrendous scenario the idea that

2387
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,360
you've been swallowed down into the is

2388
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:23,760
this endless kind of pit of

2389
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,679
Consciousness within this Draco horde

2390
01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:27,120
they say you're not it's like not being

2391
01:27:32,570 --> 01:27:29,400
quite dead but you're somehow you know

2392
01:27:34,250 --> 01:27:32,580
your your essence being digested into

2393
01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:34,260
this shared consciousness of the Draco

2394
01:27:38,209 --> 01:27:36,120
horde or so it just sounds

2395
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:38,219
just so horrendous and at the end

2396
01:27:42,649 --> 01:27:40,020
there's supposed to be wars fought in

2397
01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:42,659
the past to push back the straco and the

2398
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:45,300
beings they've created because they were

2399
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:47,340
just waging this ceaseless Conquest

2400
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:49,860
across the the cosmos and that that's

2401
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:51,360
why there's this Alliance in the first

2402
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:53,040
place that's doing all this stuff is

2403
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:55,320
kind of come out of collaboration of

2404
01:27:59,149 --> 01:27:57,360
various worlds you're like oh my God you

2405
01:28:00,770 --> 01:27:59,159
know the horde's coming you know there

2406
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:00,780
must be allies out there you know that

2407
01:28:05,629 --> 01:28:04,320
so it does seem like there's this just I

2408
01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:05,639
mean I know it's wild I mean it's wild

2409
01:28:08,689 --> 01:28:06,900
stuff and that's why it's you know I

2410
01:28:11,570 --> 01:28:08,699
don't tend to put straight out there

2411
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:11,580
because it is Wild on one hand I found

2412
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:13,380
it Wild on the other hand I found it

2413
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:17,100
strangely uh reverberating with so many

2414
01:28:20,330 --> 01:28:18,719
things we've heard I mean it's just very

2415
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:20,340
Gnostic it's like right out of the

2416
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:23,280
Gnostic kind of thing but it is also out

2417
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:26,040
of our our lore and accounts that people

2418
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,380
have passed on for hundreds and hundreds

2419
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,480
of years recorded history and the eating

2420
01:28:40,850 --> 01:28:32,400
of Souls and the you know that whole

2421
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:42,950
um you know he's his fancy book about

2422
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:44,820
the Neanderthals and stuff and in there

2423
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:47,760
he said you know in Ayahuasca Vision he

2424
01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:49,980
was contacted by this blue lady and you

2425
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:51,300
know she's all this stuff and she was

2426
01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:52,560
telling him all this stuff and it's got

2427
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:54,600
these reptilian Draco kind of beings

2428
01:28:59,149 --> 01:28:56,460
they're eating The Souls of the ancient

2429
01:29:01,070 --> 01:28:59,159
hominins and it flies in it is getting

2430
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:01,080
people to sacrifice humans so they can

2431
01:29:04,010 --> 01:29:02,400
feed on the souls and this was a lot

2432
01:29:06,649 --> 01:29:04,020
easier you know came out during a

2433
01:29:08,270 --> 01:29:06,659
Visionary experience with Ayahuasca I

2434
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:08,280
mean again it's I was fun that's kind of

2435
01:29:12,410 --> 01:29:09,600
you know just amazing other things to

2436
01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:12,420
keep bubbling up you know yeah and the

2437
01:29:14,930 --> 01:29:13,500
whole place he takes that is so

2438
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,940
interesting I always like to see that

2439
01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:16,800
Mana Zuma on one side is playing that

2440
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:18,780
game and then you got to conquistadors

2441
01:29:22,850 --> 01:29:20,760
who are playing the same game for a

2442
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:22,860
different you know we can look at it

2443
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:24,600
differently but you could also look at

2444
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:26,760
it as well they're kind of playing the

2445
01:29:29,629 --> 01:29:28,560
same game of you know decimating all

2446
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:29,639
these Souls

2447
01:29:35,930 --> 01:29:33,420
so this has been fantastic kind of much

2448
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:35,940
more than I would have even hoped for I

2449
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:37,199
guess there's one other thing we should

2450
01:29:44,330 --> 01:29:40,920
cover and that's in what ways is

2451
01:29:46,669 --> 01:29:44,340
Valerie's material a bridge too far for

2452
01:29:50,510 --> 01:29:46,679
you in terms of looking at it and going

2453
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:50,520
okay love her love all the people but I

2454
01:29:56,450 --> 01:29:52,800
think it's a little too

2455
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:56,460
out there imaginal it's just in the way

2456
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,080
and I don't want to kind of put it down

2457
01:30:02,450 --> 01:30:00,239
I want to rain it back into what we're

2458
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,460
talking about it's part of the

2459
01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:05,520
experience it's part of the phenomenon

2460
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:08,340
that when you when you listen to The

2461
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,000
Whispers of the spirits you don't sit

2462
01:30:16,910 --> 01:30:14,159
there and you know take it all down

2463
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,920
literally so any thoughts on that

2464
01:30:20,270 --> 01:30:18,960
yeah sure I mean again I'd better commit

2465
01:30:23,149 --> 01:30:20,280
to that you know that we've got many

2466
01:30:25,790 --> 01:30:23,159
people involved in the backstory and if

2467
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:25,800
you've got 40 odd people involved you

2468
01:30:30,830 --> 01:30:28,320
know there's definitely room there for

2469
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,840
either imaginal or you know I don't know

2470
01:30:33,229 --> 01:30:31,920
according to dishonest but you know

2471
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:33,239
there's room for someone to make

2472
01:30:37,850 --> 01:30:35,460
something up there's definitely a space

2473
01:30:40,910 --> 01:30:37,860
fair you know imaginal stuff so you know

2474
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:40,920
obviously I've I've tried to focus my

2475
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:42,960
efforts on validating what can be

2476
01:30:48,189 --> 01:30:46,199
validated and then recognizing that a

2477
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:48,199
lot of the rest of that could be true

2478
01:30:53,930 --> 01:30:50,820
and maybe one day find a way to prove it

2479
01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:53,940
but it could be true I can't argue that

2480
01:30:58,910 --> 01:30:56,520
it's true with somebody so I think the

2481
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:58,920
reader has to then in their own mind

2482
01:31:04,010 --> 01:31:01,139
make that decision of you know what have

2483
01:31:05,689 --> 01:31:04,020
that just seems too extraordinary or too

2484
01:31:07,010 --> 01:31:05,699
unlikely you know because obviously

2485
01:31:09,530 --> 01:31:07,020
there's bits like you said that feel a

2486
01:31:12,890 --> 01:31:09,540
bit unlike or don't mesh well extinction

2487
01:31:14,750 --> 01:31:12,900
of the dinosaurs way off you know so if

2488
01:31:16,129 --> 01:31:14,760
we're going to look at the way the

2489
01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:16,139
technology we have and we're going to

2490
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:19,080
put some weight behind it as you do and

2491
01:31:22,250 --> 01:31:20,639
saying you know hey let's look at stable

2492
01:31:23,629 --> 01:31:22,260
General and they change and then don't

2493
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:23,639
we also have to take that same science

2494
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:25,679
and go well we can point at that and say

2495
01:31:29,149 --> 01:31:27,840
well that's clearly off so what's going

2496
01:31:30,890 --> 01:31:29,159
on there

2497
01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:30,900
yeah sure there's some backstory about

2498
01:31:34,910 --> 01:31:32,760
you know yeah and the dinosaurs now

2499
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,920
whales are involved and you know that

2500
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:36,480
they represent

2501
01:31:40,189 --> 01:31:38,760
other beings here and you know stuff

2502
01:31:42,590 --> 01:31:40,199
like that where I would be like for me

2503
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,600
you know yeah that stuff feels more like

2504
01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:45,120
into the realm of new age story than

2505
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:47,880
something that you know I'm willing to

2506
01:31:53,870 --> 01:31:50,639
kind of say that I feel that's real you

2507
01:31:56,270 --> 01:31:53,880
know I think what I felt was real is is

2508
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:56,280
specifically this story of The Craft the

2509
01:32:00,590 --> 01:31:59,280
visitation the genetic engineering uh

2510
01:32:02,330 --> 01:32:00,600
the bombardment you know this what you

2511
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:02,340
call I say the core story there's a lot

2512
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:03,600
of additional things that are talked

2513
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:06,000
about there outside of that story and

2514
01:32:10,610 --> 01:32:08,280
about the cosmos and about beings and

2515
01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:10,620
where I would put that definitely in the

2516
01:32:15,410 --> 01:32:12,780
bucket if that could well be just you

2517
01:32:17,810 --> 01:32:15,420
know imaginal or from experiences people

2518
01:32:19,610 --> 01:32:17,820
have had in their own spiritual life

2519
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:19,620
meditation whatever you know and they've

2520
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,540
maybe Blended some of that in because

2521
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:23,280
they believe it already going into the

2522
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:24,239
story because a lot of these people are

2523
01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:25,440
in it are mediums you know they're

2524
01:32:30,290 --> 01:32:27,900
psychic mediums healers spiritual people

2525
01:32:31,610 --> 01:32:30,300
who are intuitive people so it makes

2526
01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:31,620
some sense that they're the ones

2527
01:32:36,169 --> 01:32:33,960
remembering past lives or having

2528
01:32:38,030 --> 01:32:36,179
experiences with this turinga artifact

2529
01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:38,040
that she's go because you know those are

2530
01:32:41,689 --> 01:32:39,420
actually sort of people you think would

2531
01:32:43,490 --> 01:32:41,699
pick up on information right so it's a

2532
01:32:45,229 --> 01:32:43,500
kind of Catch-22 people say I've only

2533
01:32:46,490 --> 01:32:45,239
valid being a physicist but if you've

2534
01:32:48,890 --> 01:32:46,500
been a physicist could she have picked

2535
01:32:50,570 --> 01:32:48,900
up on the would the artifact have had

2536
01:32:53,209 --> 01:32:50,580
any effect on her Maybe not maybe you

2537
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,219
have to be psychically aware to have

2538
01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:55,440
contact right so there's a kind of

2539
01:32:59,689 --> 01:32:56,699
Catch-22 but then a lot of those people

2540
01:33:01,910 --> 01:32:59,699
of course are in that world of you know

2541
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:01,920
holistic healing and and learning about

2542
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:04,920
philosophical ideas and New Age Concepts

2543
01:33:11,209 --> 01:33:08,880
so I don't think we can you know say

2544
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,219
that they don't have any influence from

2545
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:13,199
other existing beliefs maybe from other

2546
01:33:17,209 --> 01:33:14,760
channeling or something they've heard

2547
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:17,219
and I think that creeps its way in there

2548
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:18,960
in places that they're definitely I

2549
01:33:23,330 --> 01:33:20,639
think there's some coloring of the data

2550
01:33:25,310 --> 01:33:23,340
by people's own beliefs I mean for

2551
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:25,320
example I mean Valerie believed that

2552
01:33:30,830 --> 01:33:27,840
as you know she she argued that the

2553
01:33:32,090 --> 01:33:30,840
motivite was the ship material so again

2554
01:33:33,229 --> 01:33:32,100
people say that you Cherry Pig you're

2555
01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:33,239
just trying to prove everyone well no

2556
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:35,820
actually she was quite upset with me for

2557
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:38,400
saying that it was the australite was

2558
01:33:43,010 --> 01:33:40,560
the mesh with the craft debris because

2559
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:43,020
she felt it was the moldavite but

2560
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:45,920
motivite is millions of years old right

2561
01:33:49,790 --> 01:33:48,719
so like you can't mesh it like I said

2562
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:49,800
with the other these other things they

2563
01:33:54,290 --> 01:33:52,320
don't Mash with science I couldn't argue

2564
01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:54,300
to somebody that moldavite was the ship

2565
01:33:57,770 --> 01:33:55,620
debris because then I'd have to explain

2566
01:33:59,990 --> 01:33:57,780
why all our dating shows it as millions

2567
01:34:01,910 --> 01:34:00,000
of years old but she has a lot of

2568
01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:01,920
experiences with

2569
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,600
the Green Glass as she calls it that you

2570
01:34:11,209 --> 01:34:08,880
know so how are you processing that in

2571
01:34:13,729 --> 01:34:11,219
terms of because now we're having to

2572
01:34:15,890 --> 01:34:13,739
draw some distinctions there that

2573
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:15,900
are kind of uncomfortable for how we

2574
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:18,000
process the whole thing how do you deal

2575
01:34:22,910 --> 01:34:19,679
with that

2576
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,920
yeah I mean I I you know I it's a funny

2577
01:34:26,689 --> 01:34:24,480
one because at the same time like my

2578
01:34:28,970 --> 01:34:26,699
wife you know Daniela she she held a

2579
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,980
piece of motivite and she found herself

2580
01:34:33,290 --> 01:34:30,719
what seemed to be coming from that ship

2581
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:33,300
in an escape pod coming towards it I've

2582
01:34:36,590 --> 01:34:35,280
been seeing the burning ship so why

2583
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,600
would that happen with motorbike if

2584
01:34:40,669 --> 01:34:38,400
moldavite is just an unconnected

2585
01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:40,679
material that has nothing to do with

2586
01:34:43,070 --> 01:34:42,060
this story and yeah and so many people

2587
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:43,080
report

2588
01:34:48,350 --> 01:34:45,840
holy motivate and having space related

2589
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,360
and Cosmic experiences or profound psych

2590
01:34:53,689 --> 01:34:50,159
experiences right

2591
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,699
um so there is some conundrum there I I

2592
01:34:58,970 --> 01:34:55,440
tend to feel that what we're looking at

2593
01:35:01,729 --> 01:34:58,980
is probably that the All Tech types are

2594
01:35:03,169 --> 01:35:01,739
in some way related to off-world

2595
01:35:05,450 --> 01:35:03,179
intelligence because there's only like

2596
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,460
four strewn Fields it's a really rare

2597
01:35:09,610 --> 01:35:07,679
stuff like so I'm starting to look more

2598
01:35:12,169 --> 01:35:09,620
about it I think they're all to do with

2599
01:35:14,810 --> 01:35:12,179
Interstellar objects and that those

2600
01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:14,820
objects may or may not be technological

2601
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:16,139
um but that I think that they all have a

2602
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:18,000
you know probably are technological and

2603
01:35:21,290 --> 01:35:19,199
that they all of them have an

2604
01:35:23,450 --> 01:35:21,300
extraordinary backstory so how do I know

2605
01:35:27,290 --> 01:35:23,460
that mobile device isn't from an earlier

2606
01:35:28,729 --> 01:35:27,300
craft that blew up here and with an AI

2607
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,739
Intelligence on it and all the rest of

2608
01:35:31,729 --> 01:35:30,000
it and it isn't in some way that when

2609
01:35:34,250 --> 01:35:31,739
you hold it you're not connecting to

2610
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,260
another Consciousness that is part of

2611
01:35:38,090 --> 01:35:36,239
that Collective right and so it's

2612
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:38,100
showing you parts of these stories that

2613
01:35:41,629 --> 01:35:40,080
it also is tapped into I don't know I

2614
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:41,639
mean you still I can't write that off

2615
01:35:44,689 --> 01:35:43,020
because because people are having

2616
01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:44,699
experiences with it they hold it and

2617
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:46,460
they have these kind of related

2618
01:35:52,129 --> 01:35:48,960
experiences now I don't know so much

2619
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:52,139
with australite I haven't heard about as

2620
01:35:55,790 --> 01:35:53,520
much as that it's much more common with

2621
01:35:57,709 --> 01:35:55,800
moldavite than anyone saying I held a

2622
01:35:59,450 --> 01:35:57,719
piece of australite and I saw you know

2623
01:36:00,410 --> 01:35:59,460
and the green stone of course you know

2624
01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:00,420
there's lots of Legends of the

2625
01:36:04,129 --> 01:36:01,920
greenstone

2626
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:04,139
um The Emerald Tablets the green cup of

2627
01:36:08,030 --> 01:36:06,239
the Grail and you know there's a lot of

2628
01:36:09,950 --> 01:36:08,040
Legends to do with greenstone and

2629
01:36:12,410 --> 01:36:09,960
Visionary experiences and recorded

2630
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:12,420
information and so I don't think I can

2631
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:14,760
just dismiss it I just I can't I don't

2632
01:36:19,370 --> 01:36:17,040
believe it's part of that craft I don't

2633
01:36:20,990 --> 01:36:19,380
believe the science fits it so unless

2634
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:21,000
there's something wrong with our

2635
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,800
understanding of the dating starting to

2636
01:36:25,850 --> 01:36:24,719
do with this craft going through time

2637
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:25,860
space or something you know you know

2638
01:36:30,290 --> 01:36:27,540
what I mean I it would be happening

2639
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:30,300
outside of the known science reference

2640
01:36:34,129 --> 01:36:32,639
frame that we have and I don't actually

2641
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,139
dismiss it either I just say I can't

2642
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:36,000
argue that because I don't see the

2643
01:36:40,189 --> 01:36:38,340
support for it the same with you know

2644
01:36:42,649 --> 01:36:40,199
some of the other aspects in that in

2645
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,659
that material in the book or again you

2646
01:36:47,450 --> 01:36:44,880
know I couldn't absolutely look at the

2647
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:47,460
date for example what she was given was

2648
01:36:50,689 --> 01:36:49,199
that it was somewhere towards nine

2649
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:50,699
hundred thousand years ago

2650
01:36:56,510 --> 01:36:54,000
right every bit of evidence I see is for

2651
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:56,520
around 788 000 years ago after that

2652
01:37:01,250 --> 01:36:58,080
centers in on the best dating of the

2653
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:01,260
tech type right so that's my focal date

2654
01:37:07,550 --> 01:37:04,320
well that's a hundred and thousand you

2655
01:37:08,750 --> 01:37:07,560
know odd years off from where she feels

2656
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,760
that it should be

2657
01:37:12,169 --> 01:37:10,320
so again this one says you're cherry

2658
01:37:15,110 --> 01:37:12,179
picking to fit someone's story well

2659
01:37:17,870 --> 01:37:15,120
that's quite a big Chasm between what

2660
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,880
she was quite convinced of and what I'm

2661
01:37:22,189 --> 01:37:20,159
convinced of so 900 000 years ago

2662
01:37:25,250 --> 01:37:22,199
moldavite you know it's quite different

2663
01:37:27,050 --> 01:37:25,260
to 78 000 years ago australite you know

2664
01:37:29,450 --> 01:37:27,060
what I mean so so there are there are

2665
01:37:32,270 --> 01:37:29,460
these kind of schisms there in the data

2666
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,280
versus the story and versus her beliefs

2667
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:34,560
about the story right

2668
01:37:37,790 --> 01:37:35,760
um so that's going to totally makes

2669
01:37:40,189 --> 01:37:37,800
sense of I I have to I've come to the

2670
01:37:43,550 --> 01:37:40,199
thinking that if someone wants to see it

2671
01:37:46,189 --> 01:37:43,560
as that or maybe her story was wrong

2672
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,199
maybe it was

2673
01:37:51,169 --> 01:37:48,719
um influenced by people's thinking or

2674
01:37:54,110 --> 01:37:51,179
whatever it is but if it's LED

2675
01:37:56,570 --> 01:37:54,120
someone to what appears to be objective

2676
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:56,580
evidence of a contact event even if it's

2677
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:58,800
a different contact event right maybe

2678
01:38:02,689 --> 01:38:00,719
the other one was made up but then you

2679
01:38:06,410 --> 01:38:02,699
find a real one whilst looking for a

2680
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:06,420
made-up one right to me that would still

2681
01:38:10,010 --> 01:38:07,920
be an amazing result you know I mean

2682
01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:10,020
it's like well hang on I'm still finding

2683
01:38:13,370 --> 01:38:11,400
that there's this cluster of all the

2684
01:38:14,930 --> 01:38:13,380
same kind of events that are being

2685
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:14,940
described but they're just a different

2686
01:38:20,209 --> 01:38:17,280
time and not quite the way that those

2687
01:38:21,950 --> 01:38:20,219
sources believed that they happened so

2688
01:38:23,689 --> 01:38:21,960
if it had been that there just wasn't

2689
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:23,699
you know there wasn't any support it's a

2690
01:38:26,450 --> 01:38:25,199
different thing isn't it but if you then

2691
01:38:28,250 --> 01:38:26,460
find that you know they're saying there

2692
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,260
was this silica ship blew up you find

2693
01:38:32,930 --> 01:38:30,480
silica debris that range from orbit you

2694
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,940
know roughly 780 000 years ago you're

2695
01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:34,560
told that there's this asteroid

2696
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:37,500
bombardment turns out multiple asteroids

2697
01:38:42,649 --> 01:38:41,520
hit Earth around between uh 777 and 90

2698
01:38:44,450 --> 01:38:42,659
000 years ago they believe all at the

2699
01:38:46,669 --> 01:38:44,460
same time so again it does seem this

2700
01:38:49,310 --> 01:38:46,679
multi-directional Cosmic bombardment is

2701
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,320
also real and then on top of that that

2702
01:38:54,110 --> 01:38:51,600
there's genetic engineering uh at the

2703
01:38:56,810 --> 01:38:54,120
same time and now we know that uh the

2704
01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:56,820
early archaic lineage of the first

2705
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,320
neanderthals downstairs on us is

2706
01:39:03,709 --> 01:39:00,960
basically diverging around 800 000 years

2707
01:39:05,930 --> 01:39:03,719
ago so again so if you're like free for

2708
01:39:08,030 --> 01:39:05,940
free on the events that they're talking

2709
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,040
about even if they're a different time

2710
01:39:11,450 --> 01:39:10,080
and even if the material they talked

2711
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,460
about is a bit different

2712
01:39:14,990 --> 01:39:13,679
that to me doesn't invalidate it someone

2713
01:39:17,330 --> 01:39:15,000
else might say well it's a different

2714
01:39:18,770 --> 01:39:17,340
story then is it or something well I

2715
01:39:21,110 --> 01:39:18,780
can't tell you for sure but I can say

2716
01:39:23,090 --> 01:39:21,120
that it's it's weird that all the events

2717
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:23,100
are there now

2718
01:39:29,390 --> 01:39:26,400
it could be there are in standard dating

2719
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:29,400
um you know geological dating is off it

2720
01:39:33,110 --> 01:39:30,960
could be that these intelligences for

2721
01:39:35,149 --> 01:39:33,120
some reason obscured the date and that

2722
01:39:36,649 --> 01:39:35,159
you know why they do that maybe the same

2723
01:39:37,850 --> 01:39:36,659
reasons that like we said earlier that a

2724
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:37,860
lot of people have had information given

2725
01:39:42,169 --> 01:39:40,560
to them that is partly false now we

2726
01:39:44,209 --> 01:39:42,179
don't know why that is we don't know why

2727
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:44,219
an intelligence would give someone 80

2728
01:39:49,250 --> 01:39:47,040
real stuff but say we don't think we

2729
01:39:50,510 --> 01:39:49,260
should tell another bit because we do

2730
01:39:52,490 --> 01:39:50,520
that stuff that's like how

2731
01:39:54,770 --> 01:39:52,500
misinformation disinformation and

2732
01:39:56,330 --> 01:39:54,780
propaganda that works right off you know

2733
01:39:59,090 --> 01:39:56,340
there's a lot of information that's true

2734
01:40:01,550 --> 01:39:59,100
and then you throw in something else so

2735
01:40:03,770 --> 01:40:01,560
they may well have their own agendas as

2736
01:40:05,390 --> 01:40:03,780
intelligent beings and they may prefer

2737
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:05,400
it that way maybe they don't want to

2738
01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:07,679
make it too easy for you right and just

2739
01:40:10,729 --> 01:40:09,179
say oh it's on a platter maybe you're

2740
01:40:12,770 --> 01:40:10,739
supposed to do some work and find out

2741
01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:12,780
some of this and and show that it's not

2742
01:40:17,149 --> 01:40:14,280
quite the way that they've been told for

2743
01:40:19,370 --> 01:40:17,159
some lesson that we need maybe that not

2744
01:40:21,290 --> 01:40:19,380
to trust 100 the things you're told by

2745
01:40:23,330 --> 01:40:21,300
intelligences again and I said that's

2746
01:40:25,129 --> 01:40:23,340
the lesson I learned in my life so it

2747
01:40:26,030 --> 01:40:25,139
wouldn't surprise me if on some other

2748
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,040
scale

2749
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:28,320
they also do that a bit on their bigger

2750
01:40:32,209 --> 01:40:29,760
stories that you're supposed to actually

2751
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,219
question and not just swallow it and say

2752
01:40:36,169 --> 01:40:34,320
well 900 000 years ago they came here in

2753
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:36,179
a motorbike ship and it's that maybe

2754
01:40:40,010 --> 01:40:38,159
you're meant to fact check them and that

2755
01:40:41,570 --> 01:40:40,020
they might be pleased to see that you

2756
01:40:43,010 --> 01:40:41,580
did that and say oh you know they

2757
01:40:44,510 --> 01:40:43,020
actually bothered to check instead of

2758
01:40:46,669 --> 01:40:44,520
just swallowing it because we are higher

2759
01:40:48,770 --> 01:40:46,679
beings you know that that's not what we

2760
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,780
want from them so that would be my kind

2761
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,639
of hypothesis is that you know that

2762
01:40:53,570 --> 01:40:52,080
perhaps yeah they don't want us to do

2763
01:40:55,550 --> 01:40:53,580
that and that there's a mistake just to

2764
01:40:58,729 --> 01:40:55,560
swallow it that you are supposed to go

2765
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:58,739
through and critically analyze these

2766
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,679
stories and decide for yourself a what

2767
01:41:07,370 --> 01:41:04,560
is supportable by evidence B what is

2768
01:41:10,970 --> 01:41:07,380
reasonable to suspect to be true and see

2769
01:41:13,010 --> 01:41:10,980
what appears to be just garbage woven in

2770
01:41:15,649 --> 01:41:13,020
yeah that's that's wonderfully uh

2771
01:41:18,770 --> 01:41:15,659
nuanced and I think that's where we have

2772
01:41:20,810 --> 01:41:18,780
to continue to go is kind of more subtle

2773
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,820
I mean maybe it is the fill up

2774
01:41:25,250 --> 01:41:23,040
experiment all over again I'm drawn to

2775
01:41:27,050 --> 01:41:25,260
your a core story because I think we

2776
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,060
have a lot of evidence of that from

2777
01:41:32,270 --> 01:41:29,760
other uh paranormal experiences that

2778
01:41:35,149 --> 01:41:32,280
people have in readings and dreams in

2779
01:41:36,770 --> 01:41:35,159
past life regression where

2780
01:41:39,530 --> 01:41:36,780
sometimes there is the trickster element

2781
01:41:41,330 --> 01:41:39,540
of it but also I I think what you

2782
01:41:43,729 --> 01:41:41,340
brought to the table with

2783
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,739
Evolution as it relates to language as

2784
01:41:48,530 --> 01:41:46,080
it relates to processing information I'm

2785
01:41:50,689 --> 01:41:48,540
always I think it's extraordinary that

2786
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:50,699
the download experience is always the

2787
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:53,520
same story of I knew everything and then

2788
01:41:58,850 --> 01:41:56,400
I returned to this form and I knew a

2789
01:42:01,370 --> 01:41:58,860
thumbnail and it would make sense to me

2790
01:42:04,010 --> 01:42:01,380
that that's what's going on all the time

2791
01:42:05,390 --> 01:42:04,020
and we're just not aware of it so if

2792
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:05,400
you're channeling Channel and channeling

2793
01:42:08,750 --> 01:42:06,960
and you're think you're channeling and

2794
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:08,760
up there they're going

2795
01:42:12,890 --> 01:42:11,040
you got it wrong then I tried to tell

2796
01:42:13,970 --> 01:42:12,900
you as clearly as possible how did you

2797
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:13,980
get it that way and you're like no no no

2798
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:16,560
no no it's a Shakespeare play I saw it I

2799
01:42:19,850 --> 01:42:17,760
know the whole thing you know what I

2800
01:42:22,970 --> 01:42:19,860
mean that that to me just Rings true

2801
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:22,980
because we see it in in humans all the

2802
01:42:27,410 --> 01:42:25,440
time you know and we see it also I would

2803
01:42:28,609 --> 01:42:27,420
just add one other piece because I heard

2804
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,619
this the other day I think it's so so

2805
01:42:32,090 --> 01:42:30,719
true you know it's like we know this

2806
01:42:33,169 --> 01:42:32,100
from personal experience in our family

2807
01:42:34,490 --> 01:42:33,179
you know you get together with your

2808
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:34,500
family your brothers and sisters you go

2809
01:42:38,030 --> 01:42:35,880
remember that trip to the lake when we

2810
01:42:41,390 --> 01:42:38,040
were seven years old and Dad tipped over

2811
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,400
the canoe and the other kid goes no you

2812
01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:43,440
tipped over the canoe Dad wasn't even on

2813
01:42:48,669 --> 01:42:45,300
the canoe he was on Shore and it's like

2814
01:42:51,950 --> 01:42:48,679
what do you know so we all understand

2815
01:42:54,590 --> 01:42:51,960
that part of it there's so many things

2816
01:42:56,090 --> 01:42:54,600
that are in play again the nuanced thing

2817
01:42:57,229 --> 01:42:56,100
is the only way to even try and get

2818
01:42:59,810 --> 01:42:57,239
close to it

2819
01:43:02,149 --> 01:42:59,820
yeah absolutely memories and you know we

2820
01:43:04,490 --> 01:43:02,159
know memories can be wrong and none of

2821
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:04,500
us are perfect Witnesses and none of us

2822
01:43:09,649 --> 01:43:06,960
are perfectly receiving and passing on

2823
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:09,659
information so yeah even if you had an

2824
01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:11,760
accurate story given to you you know

2825
01:43:15,229 --> 01:43:13,320
it's a good chance you'd pass on some

2826
01:43:17,689 --> 01:43:15,239
parts wrong you know if it's Visionary

2827
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:17,699
experiential and past life memories you

2828
01:43:21,169 --> 01:43:19,440
know because that's a whole thing in

2829
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:21,179
itself again even if the memories are

2830
01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:22,560
real doesn't mean that some of them are

2831
01:43:25,550 --> 01:43:24,360
not shaped by you you know that they can

2832
01:43:27,470 --> 01:43:25,560
be a real story that even in this

2833
01:43:30,169 --> 01:43:27,480
lifetime and say that you don't remember

2834
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:30,179
right so if you did live a life a long

2835
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,679
time ago and you remembered stuff from

2836
01:43:35,390 --> 01:43:33,360
it there's a good chance that that is

2837
01:43:36,890 --> 01:43:35,400
not accurate because we're starting to

2838
01:43:38,450 --> 01:43:36,900
understand that the nature of memory is

2839
01:43:39,709 --> 01:43:38,460
that it reshapes and it's actually

2840
01:43:42,890 --> 01:43:39,719
trying to provide you with the most

2841
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,900
useful version of the story or the story

2842
01:43:46,729 --> 01:43:44,159
that you know or the one that makes the

2843
01:43:49,250 --> 01:43:46,739
most sense now is not trying to give you

2844
01:43:50,750 --> 01:43:49,260
the 100 accurate recall and that we I

2845
01:43:52,370 --> 01:43:50,760
think we most people don't realize that

2846
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:52,380
that's not what memories about really

2847
01:43:55,370 --> 01:43:53,940
it's more about keeping you alive and

2848
01:43:57,169 --> 01:43:55,380
going so sometimes you edits something

2849
01:43:59,209 --> 01:43:57,179
so that it's in your advantage to

2850
01:44:01,550 --> 01:43:59,219
remember in a different way and it will

2851
01:44:02,810 --> 01:44:01,560
change it for you right so I don't see

2852
01:44:04,669 --> 01:44:02,820
why that couldn't happen with

2853
01:44:07,070 --> 01:44:04,679
extraordinary events Visionary

2854
01:44:08,570 --> 01:44:07,080
experiences past life memories and with

2855
01:44:10,129 --> 01:44:08,580
past life memories again I mean this is

2856
01:44:12,770 --> 01:44:10,139
a big knee-jerk rejection for that but

2857
01:44:14,450 --> 01:44:12,780
you know if you go back to the work of a

2858
01:44:15,770 --> 01:44:14,460
professor Ian Stevens and I think you

2859
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,780
know a lot of your listeners will be

2860
01:44:19,550 --> 01:44:17,280
familiar with that other people may not

2861
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,560
be but you know he got to a point where

2862
01:44:23,689 --> 01:44:21,840
the evidence was so compelling that even

2863
01:44:25,370 --> 01:44:23,699
like the Uber Skeptics and even Carl

2864
01:44:26,990 --> 01:44:25,380
Texas you know all the you know the

2865
01:44:28,250 --> 01:44:27,000
Paranormal type claims the ones that are

2866
01:44:30,050 --> 01:44:28,260
worth looking at you know that was in

2867
01:44:32,209 --> 01:44:30,060
his list of like three of them and one

2868
01:44:35,090 --> 01:44:32,219
of them was The Reincarnation work of

2869
01:44:37,070 --> 01:44:35,100
Ian Stevenson because it is so solid the

2870
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:37,080
guy's just gone through you know

2871
01:44:41,209 --> 01:44:39,360
hundreds and hundreds of these cases of

2872
01:44:43,490 --> 01:44:41,219
children with these memories and

2873
01:44:45,050 --> 01:44:43,500
matching scars to where they they say

2874
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,060
they were killed in the past life and

2875
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,280
tracking down families the kids are

2876
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:49,679
convincing the families you know the

2877
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,840
work was done to such a high standard

2878
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,520
that you know all the Skeptics were kind

2879
01:44:56,990 --> 01:44:55,440
of like well yeah you know but let's

2880
01:44:59,390 --> 01:44:57,000
just ignore it you know rather than sort

2881
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:59,400
of debating and defeating him in some

2882
01:45:03,290 --> 01:45:01,199
kind of idol to combat he was more like

2883
01:45:05,930 --> 01:45:03,300
swept under the rug because the reality

2884
01:45:08,930 --> 01:45:05,940
was it seemed extraordinary compelling

2885
01:45:11,390 --> 01:45:08,940
that there is some kind of passing on of

2886
01:45:15,290 --> 01:45:11,400
information across Generations that

2887
01:45:17,209 --> 01:45:15,300
resembles reincarnation in some form no

2888
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:17,219
one knows exactly what that form is or

2889
01:45:21,950 --> 01:45:18,960
why it's happening but what he found is

2890
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,960
something like that is happening so if

2891
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:24,000
if you take that on board and then we

2892
01:45:27,950 --> 01:45:26,159
have 40 odd people

2893
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:27,960
who seem to have reincarnational

2894
01:45:31,310 --> 01:45:29,760
memories now if you accept the premise

2895
01:45:32,750 --> 01:45:31,320
of reincarnation then the other

2896
01:45:34,970 --> 01:45:32,760
interesting thing about Valerie's story

2897
01:45:38,270 --> 01:45:34,980
is this is to my knowledge the largest

2898
01:45:40,910 --> 01:45:38,280
ever group reincarnation case in the in

2899
01:45:42,649 --> 01:45:40,920
the files of reincarnation studies the

2900
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:42,659
only other one like that which I

2901
01:45:46,970 --> 01:45:45,119
mentioned in my book is the kaphas The

2902
01:45:49,070 --> 01:45:46,980
Reincarnation of the cafras which which

2903
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:49,080
actually happened not far from me about

2904
01:45:53,390 --> 01:45:50,880
30 miles away there was a psychologist

2905
01:45:54,530 --> 01:45:53,400
down in bath and he started to have all

2906
01:45:56,810 --> 01:45:54,540
these clients coming to him and they

2907
01:45:59,870 --> 01:45:56,820
were all remembering the same period

2908
01:46:02,510 --> 01:45:59,880
this life as Cafe's where they ended up

2909
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,520
you know being executed and you know the

2910
01:46:06,290 --> 01:46:04,800
fall of The Last Cafe stronghold and all

2911
01:46:08,750 --> 01:46:06,300
this but they were all and they were the

2912
01:46:10,669 --> 01:46:08,760
names of the people matched up they had

2913
01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:10,679
to find some guy that you know was a

2914
01:46:14,209 --> 01:46:13,020
specialist archivist in the well you

2915
01:46:16,729 --> 01:46:14,219
know this this is not that you could

2916
01:46:18,830 --> 01:46:16,739
walk into a library and find people were

2917
01:46:20,990 --> 01:46:18,840
checking in the archives in obscure

2918
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:21,000
libraries and finding the names that

2919
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,800
these people came out with as real

2920
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,480
kaffirs and you know they were

2921
01:46:28,910 --> 01:46:26,880
considered Heretics were bad I mean this

2922
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:28,920
is a wild step that people is poorly

2923
01:46:35,450 --> 01:46:31,920
known and poorly appreciated for how

2924
01:46:37,010 --> 01:46:35,460
compelling these cases are right so I

2925
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:37,020
mean it's easy to say well you know he

2926
01:46:40,729 --> 01:46:38,639
starts saying about these people having

2927
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:40,739
reincarnation memories oh you know it's

2928
01:46:44,990 --> 01:46:42,719
absurd well it is absurd if you just

2929
01:46:46,729 --> 01:46:45,000
ignore the whole wealth of supporting

2930
01:46:49,010 --> 01:46:46,739
evidence that reincarnation is a real

2931
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:49,020
thing that there is some aspect of us

2932
01:46:53,149 --> 01:46:50,639
that either continues or picks up

2933
01:46:55,010 --> 01:46:53,159
information from other people's lives in

2934
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:55,020
the past you know I don't know the

2935
01:46:58,970 --> 01:46:57,360
absolute answer for what it is why it is

2936
01:47:01,129 --> 01:46:58,980
but people are having verifiable

2937
01:47:03,530 --> 01:47:01,139
information come to them as the

2938
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:03,540
experience of a memory from another life

2939
01:47:08,209 --> 01:47:06,960
so why not going all the way back to 788

2940
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,219
000 years ago when they were early

2941
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:10,560
hominins or or whoever they were as

2942
01:47:14,990 --> 01:47:12,960
aliens or whatever I don't think we can

2943
01:47:17,870 --> 01:47:15,000
put some sort of limit then on what can

2944
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,880
Bubble Up in in Consciousness if it's

2945
01:47:21,649 --> 01:47:19,440
been there from the whole time that we

2946
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:21,659
are just recurring you know energy never

2947
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:23,400
being destroyed just coming back again

2948
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,440
and in different forms that something

2949
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:27,119
seems to have bubbled up in this case

2950
01:47:30,770 --> 01:47:28,800
and that you know a whole group of

2951
01:47:32,689 --> 01:47:30,780
people have ended up in Australia sort

2952
01:47:34,189 --> 01:47:32,699
of connected you know in a web where

2953
01:47:37,729 --> 01:47:34,199
they for whatever reason have come back

2954
01:47:40,970 --> 01:47:37,739
in that life to further this or complete

2955
01:47:43,790 --> 01:47:40,980
this task and that now it's helped it

2956
01:47:47,209 --> 01:47:43,800
come out and it's led to objective

2957
01:47:48,410 --> 01:47:47,219
information so you know it's a funny one

2958
01:47:49,850 --> 01:47:48,420
isn't that because you know you put all

2959
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:49,860
the things in one case in a way you know

2960
01:47:54,770 --> 01:47:52,080
the Time Slips uh you know strange

2961
01:47:57,709 --> 01:47:54,780
artifacts that can talk to people uh you

2962
01:48:00,350 --> 01:47:57,719
know mediums and and you know aliens

2963
01:48:02,570 --> 01:48:00,360
talking ships time you know I I don't

2964
01:48:05,149 --> 01:48:02,580
know it's I know it's a lot for anyone

2965
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:05,159
to take but in individually each one of

2966
01:48:09,169 --> 01:48:07,199
these kinds of phenomena has other

2967
01:48:11,870 --> 01:48:09,179
support right it's just we don't

2968
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:11,880
normally see them cluster into one

2969
01:48:15,950 --> 01:48:14,520
narrative where you know it's like

2970
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:15,960
I always think it's a bit like you know

2971
01:48:20,209 --> 01:48:17,520
a Hollywood guy you know you've given

2972
01:48:22,669 --> 01:48:20,219
them this amazing budget and you've said

2973
01:48:24,370 --> 01:48:22,679
make me a sci-fi film he's like I'm just

2974
01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:24,380
gonna throw everything in

2975
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:27,000
what the hell I'm gonna spend every

2976
01:48:30,890 --> 01:48:28,980
penny you know we're gonna have all this

2977
01:48:32,810 --> 01:48:30,900
stuff fly so I'm gonna time travel

2978
01:48:34,370 --> 01:48:32,820
and you'll be like this guy's gone crazy

2979
01:48:36,350 --> 01:48:34,380
why is why couldn't you have simplified

2980
01:48:37,490 --> 01:48:36,360
it made it more reasonable you know and

2981
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:37,500
that's what it feels like because like

2982
01:48:40,430 --> 01:48:38,880
you've got the whole special effects

2983
01:48:42,350 --> 01:48:40,440
team on this because I want everything I

2984
01:48:44,450 --> 01:48:42,360
want asteroids coming down and alien

2985
01:48:45,709 --> 01:48:44,460
ships that can talk and you know you

2986
01:48:47,450 --> 01:48:45,719
could be sitting there going I think

2987
01:48:49,490 --> 01:48:47,460
you're going too far you don't need to

2988
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:49,500
cut back and that's why it starts to

2989
01:48:54,649 --> 01:48:51,900
feel like it's like every phenomena has

2990
01:48:56,990 --> 01:48:54,659
just clustered into one narrative and

2991
01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:57,000
yet it appears to be mostly a true story

2992
01:49:01,250 --> 01:48:59,340
and that is just the wildest wildest

2993
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,260
kind of conclusion to come from

2994
01:49:05,090 --> 01:49:02,880
something that just on the face of it

2995
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:05,100
you would think was just really absurd

2996
01:49:08,510 --> 01:49:06,960
you know if someone just told you oh boy

2997
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:08,520
there's a story and you sound absurd

2998
01:49:11,149 --> 01:49:09,960
until you look at it closer and be like

2999
01:49:12,649 --> 01:49:11,159
well actually there's a lot of

3000
01:49:13,490 --> 01:49:12,659
supporting elements to this and it's

3001
01:49:15,290 --> 01:49:13,500
yeah

3002
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:15,300
I mean obviously you can understand that

3003
01:49:17,810 --> 01:49:16,320
you know you

3004
01:49:18,830 --> 01:49:17,820
the same similar reasons that you know

3005
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,840
you've looked at it you know that it's

3006
01:49:22,970 --> 01:49:20,400
got a lot of strange aspects but then

3007
01:49:25,550 --> 01:49:22,980
funnily enough individually all of these

3008
01:49:28,129 --> 01:49:25,560
aspects do have support elsewhere and

3009
01:49:30,050 --> 01:49:28,139
the story it's at the core has material

3010
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:30,060
support and that I don't know of any

3011
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:31,199
other case

3012
01:49:36,410 --> 01:49:33,360
kind of like that

3013
01:49:39,890 --> 01:49:36,420
Bruce the idea that it could be the

3014
01:49:40,970 --> 01:49:39,900
right Story the right true story at the

3015
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:40,980
right time

3016
01:49:45,770 --> 01:49:43,199
is probably about the most encouraging

3017
01:49:47,629 --> 01:49:45,780
thing optimistic thing that I could

3018
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,639
possibly imagine because it does make

3019
01:49:53,570 --> 01:49:49,920
you think that maybe in this strange

3020
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:53,580
time that we're in is the kernel of what

3021
01:50:00,050 --> 01:49:57,360
could come and and be better and uh wow

3022
01:50:02,770 --> 01:50:00,060
what an awesome thing to to just think

3023
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:02,780
about we don't have to buy into it

3024
01:50:06,410 --> 01:50:05,280
what's next where are you going with

3025
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:06,420
this

3026
01:50:10,490 --> 01:50:08,880
yeah so I mean I've obviously worked on

3027
01:50:13,850 --> 01:50:10,500
the sub stack I'm going to do my best to

3028
01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:13,860
get the whole uh updated kind of story

3029
01:50:17,689 --> 01:50:16,260
out there you know I think I'm going to

3030
01:50:19,010 --> 01:50:17,699
meet you I've put a backstory as well

3031
01:50:21,709 --> 01:50:19,020
and I'll try and get all that out there

3032
01:50:23,689 --> 01:50:21,719
in the sub step but on the side of that

3033
01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:23,699
also we're tentatively at the beginning

3034
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:24,780
of

3035
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:27,300
um expanding the project so that there

3036
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:31,199
will be a more formal research arm to

3037
01:50:37,310 --> 01:50:33,920
this which will which will have funding

3038
01:50:39,770 --> 01:50:37,320
and will allow me to collaborate with

3039
01:50:41,930 --> 01:50:39,780
experts who could be brought in and have

3040
01:50:44,109 --> 01:50:41,940
funding to do research

3041
01:50:46,669 --> 01:50:44,119
um probably under a University

3042
01:50:47,810 --> 01:50:46,679
banner so a lot of approaching it not

3043
01:50:51,709 --> 01:50:47,820
all you'll notice but like the sounds of

3044
01:50:53,330 --> 01:50:51,719
this but as as my collaborator said you

3045
01:50:56,330 --> 01:50:53,340
know they do like to hear this funding

3046
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:56,340
though so so that we might we might be

3047
01:50:59,530 --> 01:50:57,960
able to get

3048
01:51:02,390 --> 01:50:59,540
um a situation where say we could have

3049
01:51:05,209 --> 01:51:02,400
geneticists or material Engineers

3050
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:05,219
experts in their field who could come in

3051
01:51:10,310 --> 01:51:08,280
and be asked to give their opinions on

3052
01:51:12,830 --> 01:51:10,320
aspects of this and collaborate on

3053
01:51:14,450 --> 01:51:12,840
writing papers but then conversely on

3054
01:51:16,430 --> 01:51:14,460
the other side which you know I know you

3055
01:51:20,090 --> 01:51:16,440
provide for us to create kind of

3056
01:51:22,189 --> 01:51:20,100
Engagement and media and you know ways

3057
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:22,199
to then get this to the public as well

3058
01:51:25,129 --> 01:51:23,520
because of course like you know writing

3059
01:51:27,530 --> 01:51:25,139
a paper on it is great and that is

3060
01:51:30,350 --> 01:51:27,540
important in that side of it but that

3061
01:51:32,810 --> 01:51:30,360
isn't really for the general public

3062
01:51:34,189 --> 01:51:32,820
that's a conversation to then spark a

3063
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:34,199
conversation in a scientific Community

3064
01:51:38,930 --> 01:51:36,000
right which is their own kind of world

3065
01:51:41,570 --> 01:51:38,940
so on the separate side of that we would

3066
01:51:43,609 --> 01:51:41,580
hope that the media will engage with

3067
01:51:46,669 --> 01:51:43,619
those papers because as you know like we

3068
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,679
look at the one recently with avilo and

3069
01:51:50,209 --> 01:51:48,719
um the guy from Arrow you know they

3070
01:51:51,770 --> 01:51:50,219
wrote a paper about just the basic

3071
01:51:53,570 --> 01:51:51,780
constraints of what they might expect

3072
01:51:55,490 --> 01:51:53,580
with the UFO topic and now you've got

3073
01:51:57,050 --> 01:51:55,500
headlines saying alien motherships in

3074
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,060
the solar system they're spewing out

3075
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:59,280
probes so we're living in a kind of a

3076
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:00,960
funny moment aren't we where you could

3077
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:02,639
have said that was a fairly tame paper

3078
01:52:07,970 --> 01:52:05,040
and yet the media have gone totally wild

3079
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:07,980
so if they were to do the same with some

3080
01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:10,320
research that we're doing that could

3081
01:52:13,250 --> 01:52:11,940
become really interesting to be honest

3082
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:13,260
you know I mean if they if they're

3083
01:52:16,850 --> 01:52:14,639
willing to go all out on things like

3084
01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:16,860
alien motherships spewing out probes on

3085
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,780
a team paper if we were actually to say

3086
01:52:22,010 --> 01:52:20,400
well we're doing a formal research

3087
01:52:25,070 --> 01:52:22,020
program we were looking for genetic

3088
01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:25,080
modification of humans 750 and we're you

3089
01:52:28,490 --> 01:52:27,000
know it's being done formally I don't

3090
01:52:30,410 --> 01:52:28,500
think you'd even need to get the results

3091
01:52:32,810 --> 01:52:30,420
through before some journalists thought

3092
01:52:35,330 --> 01:52:32,820
this is amazing I suspect that what we

3093
01:52:38,990 --> 01:52:35,340
see there is them really playing both

3094
01:52:42,290 --> 01:52:39,000
sides in a very clever way right so put

3095
01:52:44,570 --> 01:52:42,300
out the RV lob story get the minions to

3096
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,580
spin it this way and now you have kind

3097
01:52:50,090 --> 01:52:46,880
of plausible deniability you can go back

3098
01:52:54,109 --> 01:52:50,100
he didn't say

3099
01:52:57,770 --> 01:52:56,209
not real necessarily he's still on the

3100
01:53:01,609 --> 01:52:57,780
fence about that so now you have it both

3101
01:53:04,250 --> 01:53:01,619
ways but you can also you know do the

3102
01:53:06,669 --> 01:53:04,260
conditioning that they're doing the slow

3103
01:53:09,290 --> 01:53:06,679
disclosure conditioning and stuff but

3104
01:53:10,250 --> 01:53:09,300
that doesn't take away from what you're

3105
01:53:12,490 --> 01:53:10,260
saying because one of the things you

3106
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,500
brought out in this wonderful

3107
01:53:16,189 --> 01:53:15,360
generous two hours that you gave us is

3108
01:53:18,830 --> 01:53:16,199
that

3109
01:53:19,729 --> 01:53:18,840
the mission for you doesn't change which

3110
01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:19,739
is

3111
01:53:24,770 --> 01:53:21,900
Advance the science as far as you can

3112
01:53:26,510 --> 01:53:24,780
bring as many people on board bring new

3113
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,520
people on board who may have a piece of

3114
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:28,560
the puzzle and don't know that they do

3115
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:31,199
so all that it doesn't doesn't change

3116
01:53:34,729 --> 01:53:32,880
your job you got to get up every day and

3117
01:53:36,590 --> 01:53:34,739
put the shoes on and go do that so yeah

3118
01:53:38,330 --> 01:53:36,600
if they're playing the game this way or

3119
01:53:40,490 --> 01:53:38,340
that way you can't really worry about

3120
01:53:43,310 --> 01:53:40,500
that too much so I mean I think there's

3121
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:43,320
a it's a it's just probably now just

3122
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:44,880
looking to expand to a different stage

3123
01:53:49,250 --> 01:53:47,520
where yeah for me a lot won't change but

3124
01:53:51,890 --> 01:53:49,260
you know if we can have an angle where

3125
01:53:54,050 --> 01:53:51,900
yeah it's engaging those people who

3126
01:53:56,209 --> 01:53:54,060
let's say the the media will find more

3127
01:53:58,010 --> 01:53:56,219
difficult to ignore because you know

3128
01:54:00,649 --> 01:53:58,020
it's pretty easy to ignore me you know

3129
01:54:02,510 --> 01:54:00,659
you know some guy if at the same time we

3130
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:02,520
can bring in you know some of the top

3131
01:54:06,050 --> 01:54:04,560
people in some of these fields and that

3132
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:06,060
they are willing to comment on it even

3133
01:54:09,229 --> 01:54:07,679
if just as an advisory role you know

3134
01:54:10,189 --> 01:54:09,239
we've seen the way that as I say you

3135
01:54:13,609 --> 01:54:10,199
know some of these other stories have

3136
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:13,619
been blown up massively with far less

3137
01:54:18,109 --> 01:54:16,080
than saying hey look general public

3138
01:54:19,970 --> 01:54:18,119
there's a team involving respectable

3139
01:54:22,430 --> 01:54:19,980
side stuff they're looking to see if

3140
01:54:25,010 --> 01:54:22,440
aliens have modified the human genome at

3141
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:25,020
this specific point in time and also

3142
01:54:28,129 --> 01:54:26,880
looking at the possibility of one of

3143
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,139
those alien motherships that you heard

3144
01:54:32,209 --> 01:54:30,000
in that other story having been here and

3145
01:54:34,129 --> 01:54:32,219
blown up pieces you know I think once

3146
01:54:35,570 --> 01:54:34,139
they can see that it's not just some guy

3147
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,580
that's been on Ancient Aliens right

3148
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:38,159
where it's really easy to go uh crank

3149
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:39,780
cuckoo you know

3150
01:54:43,970 --> 01:54:42,239
um and dismiss that that I think even

3151
01:54:46,669 --> 01:54:43,980
just saying that there is a research

3152
01:54:49,370 --> 01:54:46,679
team with a respect for umbrella with

3153
01:54:52,370 --> 01:54:49,380
scientists involved that um that would

3154
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:52,380
could disseminate into the media a lot

3155
01:54:56,810 --> 01:54:54,480
easier right and reach a lot of people

3156
01:54:58,729 --> 01:54:56,820
who really would probably be quite

3157
01:55:00,169 --> 01:54:58,739
compelled to the story but they just

3158
01:55:01,669 --> 01:55:00,179
never heard of the story right so they

3159
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:01,679
don't necessarily need the tech title

3160
01:55:06,169 --> 01:55:04,080
analysis they don't need every genome

3161
01:55:08,270 --> 01:55:06,179
known right you know because most people

3162
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,280
don't function like that they would look

3163
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:10,800
at that as a complete story and say well

3164
01:55:14,750 --> 01:55:12,960
it's kind of wild that there's all these

3165
01:55:16,729 --> 01:55:14,760
dates lining up the fire was there and

3166
01:55:18,770 --> 01:55:16,739
you know this thing blew up then the

3167
01:55:20,510 --> 01:55:18,780
genetics changed then I think for the

3168
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,520
average person who hears that they

3169
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:22,080
immediately think well at least on the

3170
01:55:26,209 --> 01:55:23,760
fence they're thinking maybe that's real

3171
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:26,219
because it seems like it's not just one

3172
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:28,320
thing it's multiple things and they

3173
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:30,000
don't need you know humans aren't we're

3174
01:55:34,010 --> 01:55:32,639
not all like you know academic Computing

3175
01:55:35,450 --> 01:55:34,020
device type thing because most people

3176
01:55:37,250 --> 01:55:35,460
will put that story together and just

3177
01:55:39,229 --> 01:55:37,260
feel whether it's reasonable to them or

3178
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:39,239
not and I think that you know that for a

3179
01:55:43,490 --> 01:55:41,040
large proportion of humanity if you were

3180
01:55:45,709 --> 01:55:43,500
to hear that story it was on the the

3181
01:55:49,250 --> 01:55:45,719
news right I reckon You Come Away with

3182
01:55:51,229 --> 01:55:49,260
probably 50 of humanity pretty much

3183
01:55:52,669 --> 01:55:51,239
accepting that that happened right just

3184
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:52,679
based on the evidence that exists now

3185
01:55:57,169 --> 01:55:55,679
without doing any extra DNA analysis or

3186
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,179
any more materials analysis they would

3187
01:56:01,070 --> 01:55:59,040
look at that and say as wild as the rest

3188
01:56:02,810 --> 01:56:01,080
of that stuff is it does seem like

3189
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,820
something came here from space and blew

3190
01:56:06,530 --> 01:56:04,320
up and at the right the moment when we

3191
01:56:08,689 --> 01:56:06,540
start to evolve that's all super weird

3192
01:56:10,129 --> 01:56:08,699
you know and we're being told at this

3193
01:56:11,689 --> 01:56:10,139
moment you know alien motherships may

3194
01:56:13,310 --> 01:56:11,699
have come here and reasonable people are

3195
01:56:14,810 --> 01:56:13,320
saying it and the interstellar objects

3196
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:14,820
are coming here and now the government's

3197
01:56:19,550 --> 01:56:17,219
looking at UFOs I mean that's definitely

3198
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:19,560
a fertile ground isn't it that we are in

3199
01:56:25,729 --> 01:56:22,560
now for the public to say I'm willing to

3200
01:56:27,649 --> 01:56:25,739
stretch my community on this and just

3201
01:56:30,530 --> 01:56:27,659
listen hear it out and then come away

3202
01:56:32,510 --> 01:56:30,540
thinking geez you know I I think this

3203
01:56:34,490 --> 01:56:32,520
maybe really happened so I'm quite

3204
01:56:35,570 --> 01:56:34,500
hopeful I think that yeah we'll see how

3205
01:56:37,550 --> 01:56:35,580
it goes and lots like I say it's early

3206
01:56:39,709 --> 01:56:37,560
days I am contacting some universities

3207
01:56:41,330 --> 01:56:39,719
to see how that would work you know

3208
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:41,340
having a researching under their

3209
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:43,679
umbrella um for the funding purposes and

3210
01:56:46,189 --> 01:56:44,880
stuff so you know obviously again if

3211
01:56:47,930 --> 01:56:46,199
someone out there listening you know

3212
01:56:49,070 --> 01:56:47,940
they're at a university and they're like

3213
01:56:50,810 --> 01:56:49,080
you know maybe like the sound of that

3214
01:56:52,850 --> 01:56:50,820
maybe would like to be involved again

3215
01:56:54,050 --> 01:56:52,860
that that would be kind of cool too and

3216
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:54,060
I'm sure some of your listeners you know

3217
01:56:57,590 --> 01:56:55,440
you might have things they could

3218
01:57:00,770 --> 01:56:57,600
contribute to that or maybe in fields

3219
01:57:02,750 --> 01:57:00,780
which you know they can the advisory

3220
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:02,760
roll or directly come on board and help

3221
01:57:05,629 --> 01:57:04,320
you know pay through a paper on that

3222
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:05,639
saying you know that you know yeah

3223
01:57:09,649 --> 01:57:07,920
there's an angle here I'd be happy to

3224
01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:09,659
collaborate with you on and we could put

3225
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:11,280
out you know just a short paper just

3226
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:12,480
saying there's the possibility there

3227
01:57:15,649 --> 01:57:14,400
based on what we're seeing of you know

3228
01:57:17,810 --> 01:57:15,659
an anomaly that could have been

3229
01:57:19,609 --> 01:57:17,820
engineered or of materials that have

3230
01:57:21,890 --> 01:57:19,619
been used to make sense from a Computing

3231
01:57:22,850 --> 01:57:21,900
you know understanding that they have so

3232
01:57:24,050 --> 01:57:22,860
that's the kind of thing I think Alex

3233
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:24,060
where it's going is that you know

3234
01:57:26,689 --> 01:57:25,199
there's probably people out there saying

3235
01:57:28,129 --> 01:57:26,699
they're thinking yeah I do that every

3236
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:28,139
day I do that work all the time it'll be

3237
01:57:32,209 --> 01:57:30,000
easy I could spend a few hours just like

3238
01:57:33,770 --> 01:57:32,219
giving you some tips of what to look for

3239
01:57:36,109 --> 01:57:33,780
um you know that kind of side of it so

3240
01:57:39,890 --> 01:57:36,119
hopefully that's what we will start to

3241
01:57:43,129 --> 01:57:39,900
see that's terrific anything else to to

3242
01:57:44,629 --> 01:57:43,139
mention as we wrap things up

3243
01:57:46,370 --> 01:57:44,639
um well of course I suppose maybe great

3244
01:57:47,810 --> 01:57:46,380
if people would sign up to my sub stack

3245
01:57:48,890 --> 01:57:47,820
I mean that's um you know obviously

3246
01:57:51,530 --> 01:57:48,900
where I'm trying to put everything out

3247
01:57:53,390 --> 01:57:51,540
there the intention of that is that you

3248
01:57:55,070 --> 01:57:53,400
know I think if it covers everything

3249
01:57:56,510 --> 01:57:55,080
eventually there's never even ends what

3250
01:57:57,770 --> 01:57:56,520
I'm doing but you know I would like to

3251
01:58:00,169 --> 01:57:57,780
probably take some of that material

3252
01:58:02,209 --> 01:58:00,179
later condenser and edit it into a book

3253
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:02,219
so obviously it'd be nice if going

3254
01:58:07,310 --> 01:58:03,840
forward um people sort of follow me and

3255
01:58:09,169 --> 01:58:07,320
also support me if they can by paid subs

3256
01:58:11,510 --> 01:58:09,179
or buying the books or the existing book

3257
01:58:12,890 --> 01:58:11,520
you know because um obviously I put a

3258
01:58:16,910 --> 01:58:12,900
lot of time into this stuff you know and

3259
01:58:18,770 --> 01:58:16,920
it's not a materially rewarding activity

3260
01:58:20,990 --> 01:58:18,780
um particularly you know because it it

3261
01:58:23,209 --> 01:58:21,000
hasn't got the traction of some of the

3262
01:58:25,850 --> 01:58:23,219
UFO topics you know so you know you're

3263
01:58:28,669 --> 01:58:25,860
not seeing me on on Fox and on CNN

3264
01:58:30,530 --> 01:58:28,679
talking about any motherships so I mean

3265
01:58:32,450 --> 01:58:30,540
there's not really that so I I super

3266
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:32,460
appreciate anyone who is willing to go

3267
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:35,520
to the sub stack sign up yeah please you

3268
01:58:39,649 --> 01:58:37,679
know do consider a paid subscription on

3269
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:39,659
that like five pound a month

3270
01:58:44,270 --> 01:58:41,520
um and I will keep trying to churn out

3271
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:44,280
the rest of this uh information as quick

3272
01:58:47,209 --> 01:58:45,840
as I can and obviously like you've seen

3273
01:58:50,089 --> 01:58:47,219
something else it's quite in depth so

3274
01:58:51,589 --> 01:58:50,099
you know like they're not a couple of

3275
01:58:52,729 --> 01:58:51,599
hours at the desk you know I have to

3276
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:52,739
kind of really put things back together

3277
01:58:57,709 --> 01:58:54,960
in a way that I hope is explaining

3278
01:58:59,870 --> 01:58:57,719
things well and that will go

3279
01:59:02,750 --> 01:58:59,880
I think they're sent a few more weeks to

3280
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,760
get through the even the core story you

3281
01:59:06,649 --> 01:59:04,080
know but we're just on to the starting

3282
01:59:08,870 --> 01:59:06,659
of the genetics now so and that's

3283
01:59:10,370 --> 01:59:08,880
probably a few articles and then like I

3284
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:10,380
said we'll deal with the other stuff by

3285
01:59:13,910 --> 01:59:12,960
uh you know teaching the common ends you

3286
01:59:15,890 --> 01:59:13,920
know there's going to be there's quite a

3287
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:15,900
few topics yet to be done so I hope

3288
01:59:19,250 --> 01:59:17,520
people will follow along and you know

3289
01:59:21,470 --> 01:59:19,260
join in you know leave comments and

3290
01:59:23,689 --> 01:59:21,480
stuff and by all means Point me towards

3291
01:59:26,089 --> 01:59:23,699
you know scientists or universities that

3292
01:59:27,589 --> 01:59:26,099
they think are sympathetic or media

3293
01:59:28,790 --> 01:59:27,599
journalists anyone like that you know

3294
01:59:30,290 --> 01:59:28,800
all of this stuff I think it's important

3295
01:59:32,209 --> 01:59:30,300
we live at a time where look we're right

3296
01:59:34,970 --> 01:59:32,219
at the edges of what could be you know

3297
01:59:36,770 --> 01:59:34,980
world war three and crazy stuff you know

3298
01:59:38,689 --> 01:59:36,780
I think if people take a gamble on the

3299
01:59:41,149 --> 01:59:38,699
fact that maybe a story like this could

3300
01:59:44,030 --> 01:59:41,159
help divert things in a positive way

3301
01:59:45,890 --> 01:59:44,040
that alone surely is worth people

3302
01:59:47,629 --> 01:59:45,900
spending a few moments of their time on

3303
01:59:51,109 --> 01:59:47,639
when they look at the world as it is now

3304
01:59:52,910 --> 01:59:51,119
just just breaking down right but isn't

3305
01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:52,920
it worth giving this a chance just to

3306
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:54,960
see if it has some positive you know

3307
02:00:01,129 --> 01:59:58,080
possibilities for us as a species

3308
02:00:02,570 --> 02:00:01,139
fantastic Bruce thank you so much for

3309
02:00:05,030 --> 02:00:02,580
the interview and for the work that you

3310
02:00:08,630 --> 02:00:05,040
do terrific man thank you and thank you